General Election

[wanton dwarf]

@JP1 & @Old McDonald broadly agree.

BTW I went to a Comprehensive and experienced a number of people just hell bent on disrupting lessons with teachers actively not bothering or worse.

I remember doing A level maths and my teacher actively abandoning me because the rest of the class, which was 4 other children, had paid tuition by their parents and skipped whole chapters. Of course I paid the price and was too naive to even tell anyone. Hell I was embarassed.

School is not without politics, teachers are adults and children are children.

My sister is a teacher and described how some teachers actively make sure certain pupils fail ... how ? ... by teaching them the wrong cylibus. Of course the kids are none the wiser, but the teacher will get her way.

I think schools need honesty more than anything else, but unfortunately the Socialists always find problems are generated by someone other than themselves.

 

[JP1]

 

[Old Boar]

I am in a quandary. I do not like Mrs May, or more importantly, her policies. The same could be said of Corbyn, and I dont think they have a brain cell to share sometimes. Where are the astute, upstanding, clever politicians of old?
My reasons not to vote Conservatives are:-
-legal aid slashed by £320 million. Justice should not depend on your wealth
- cuts in the mental health support. I have seen for myself first hand how this can affect whole families when a seriously ill person "can be seen in 6 weeks", and in the meantime has a psycotic episode and lashes out with a knife. He ended up in prison and then a mental ward. How did this save money?
- scrapping nurses bursaries which has immediately dropped prospective nurses by 23%. Coupled with sending nurses "home", you have to wonder who will be there if you go to hospital?
- the fact that the Conservatives consistantly put us deeper in dept. Yes, really. All the stuff about Labour not being careful with the nations money is not true if you look back. For further reading if you dont believe me:-
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/...the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/


-There should be no need for food banks. Ohhh, I can here the intake of breath from here! But if you lost your job, could you last at least 6 weeks without any money?
-The quiet privatisation of the NHS. Did you know there is already a £780 million deal done for private contracts? Why should anyone make a profit from someone sick?

My reasons not to vote Labour
-His team

I am sure I am not the only person who feels like this. I want the best for the country, but I do not want the poorer sections of society to get the shyte end of the stick all the time. I dont want politicians who have been bought and sold or who do not know what real life is like for the majority of people.

So what to do?

 

[Ashtree]

@JP1 & @Old McDonald broadly agree.


My sister is a teacher and described how some teachers actively make sure certain pupils fail ... how ? ... by teaching them the wrong cylibus. Of course the kids are none the wiser, but the teacher will get her way.
.

How in God's name is it even remotely possible in a first world country for a teacher to deliberately teach the wrong syllabus to some of his or her pupils and get away with it? I have to say this is one of the craziest statements I have ever seen on this forum!! If true and it's something which can and does go on in your education system, then I just totally give up!!! Crazy stuff! Absolutely crazy!

 

[jendan]

I am in a quandary. I do not like Mrs May, or more importantly, her policies. The same could be said of Corbyn, and I dont think they have a brain cell to share sometimes. Where are the astute, upstanding, clever politicians of old?
My reasons not to vote Conservatives are:-
-legal aid slashed by £320 million. Justice should not depend on your wealth
- cuts in the mental health support. I have seen for myself first hand how this can affect whole families when a seriously ill person "can be seen in 6 weeks", and in the meantime has a psycotic episode and lashes out with a knife. He ended up in prison and then a mental ward. How did this save money?
- scrapping nurses bursaries which has immediately dropped prospective nurses by 23%. Coupled with sending nurses "home", you have to wonder who will be there if you go to hospital?
- the fact that the Conservatives consistantly put us deeper in dept. Yes, really. All the stuff about Labour not being careful with the nations money is not true if you look back. For further reading if you dont believe me:-
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/...the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/


-There should be no need for food banks. Ohhh, I can here the intake of breath from here! But if you lost your job, could you last at least 6 weeks without any money?
-The quiet privatisation of the NHS. Did you know there is already a £780 million deal done for private contracts? Why should anyone make a profit from someone sick?

My reasons not to vote Labour
-His team

I am sure I am not the only person who feels like this. I want the best for the country, but I do not want the poorer sections of society to get the shyte end of the stick all the time. I dont want politicians who have been bought and sold or who do not know what real life is like for the majority of people.

So what to do?

Have you ever thought of going in to politics yourself? You would get my vote.

 

[Courier]

I am in a quandary. I do not like Mrs May, or more importantly, her policies. The same could be said of Corbyn, and I dont think they have a brain cell to share sometimes. Where are the astute, upstanding, clever politicians of old?
My reasons not to vote Conservatives are:-
-legal aid slashed by £320 million. Justice should not depend on your wealth
- cuts in the mental health support. I have seen for myself first hand how this can affect whole families when a seriously ill person "can be seen in 6 weeks", and in the meantime has a psycotic episode and lashes out with a knife. He ended up in prison and then a mental ward. How did this save money?
- scrapping nurses bursaries which has immediately dropped prospective nurses by 23%. Coupled with sending nurses "home", you have to wonder who will be there if you go to hospital?
- the fact that the Conservatives consistantly put us deeper in dept. Yes, really. All the stuff about Labour not being careful with the nations money is not true if you look back. For further reading if you dont believe me:-
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/...the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/


-There should be no need for food banks. Ohhh, I can here the intake of breath from here! But if you lost your job, could you last at least 6 weeks without any money?
-The quiet privatisation of the NHS. Did you know there is already a £780 million deal done for private contracts? Why should anyone make a profit from someone sick?

My reasons not to vote Labour
-His team

I am sure I am not the only person who feels like this. I want the best for the country, but I do not want the poorer sections of society to get the shyte end of the stick all the time. I dont want politicians who have been bought and sold or who do not know what real life is like for the majority of people.

So what to do?

Are you in a constituency where your vote may actually make a difference?

Have you heard about

http://www.progressivealliance.org.uk/

Scroll down to "Vote Smart" .

For those who wish to use their vote tactically it may have an effect on the size of the forthcoming Conservative landslide which will be exaggerated by our marginally democratic FPTP system.

 

[arbel]

Are you in a constituency where your vote may actually make a difference?

Have you heard about

http://www.progressivealliance.org.uk/

Scroll down to "Vote Smart" .

For those who wish to use their vote tactically it may have an effect on the size of the forthcoming Conservative landslide which will be exaggerated by our marginally democratic FPTP system.

The problem with the Progressive Alliance is that they try to work towards ensuring that no political party can achieve a working majority.
Consensus is all well and good between all the politicos in theory. But in terms of our getting the best Brexit deal, I think we need a strong and determined PM, who can fight our case effectively.
The trouble with consensus in politics is like the pantomime horse! Who's in charge, the front or the back end.

So far as I can make out, the Labour Party manifesto put into practice will bankrupt the UK big time. The Lib-Dems are being led by a guy who changes his core beliefs as often as most of us change our underwear. UKIP? No comment.
The rest of them I would consign to the slop bucket.

Dread to think of that pantomime horse with Diane Abbott in the front! Or back come to think of it!

 

[Ashtree]

The problem with the Progressive Alliance is that they try to work towards ensuring that no political party can achieve a working majority.
Consensus is all well and good between all the politicos in theory. But in terms of our getting the best Brexit deal, I think we need a strong and determined PM, who can fight our case effectively.
The trouble with consensus in politics is like the pantomime horse! Who's in charge, the front or the back end.

So far as I can make out, the Labour Party manifesto put into practice will bankrupt the UK big time. The Lib-Dems are being led by a guy who changes his core beliefs as often as most of us change our underwear. UKIP? No comment.
The rest of them I would consign to the slop bucket.

Dread to think of that pantomime horse with Diane Abbott in the front! Or back come to think of it!

Not to mention the fact that TM's (not the conservative party's mind) manifesto would sit perfectly on the desk of many a labor party leader.
Lines between TM and Corbyn getting more blurred by the day. TM moving left faster than Corbyn can get out of the way.

I'm beginning to believe she is Tony Benn reincarnated.
Best PM you never had, was Tony.
Maybe you have her now

 

[arbel]

Not to mention the fact that TM's (not the conservative party's mind) manifesto would sit perfectly on the desk of many a labor party leader.
Lines between TM and Corbyn getting more blurred by the day. TM moving left faster than Corbyn can get out of the way.

I'm beginning to believe she is Tony Benn reincarnated.
Best PM you never had, was Tony.
Maybe you have her now

Indeed, so in a sense, we do have some ideological consensus.
The basic fact remains once we all pull their manifestos apart, is that all their promises have to be paid for somehow and you know as well as I do, who will be doing the paying.
Speaking as someone who in the distant past has voted Labour and more recently Tory, my focus will be on who I think can pull off a successful Brexit and who I believe will command the respect of those we negotiate with.

JC just does not cut the mustard for me.

 

[Lili]

Th

I am in a quandary. I do not like Mrs May, or more importantly, her policies. The same could be said of Corbyn, and I dont think they have a brain cell to share sometimes. Where are the astute, upstanding, clever politicians of old?
My reasons not to vote Conservatives are:-
-legal aid slashed by £320 million. Justice should not depend on your wealth
- cuts in the mental health support. I have seen for myself first hand how this can affect whole families when a seriously ill person "can be seen in 6 weeks", and in the meantime has a psycotic episode and lashes out with a knife. He ended up in prison and then a mental ward. How did this save money?
- scrapping nurses bursaries which has immediately dropped prospective nurses by 23%. Coupled with sending nurses "home", you have to wonder who will be there if you go to hospital?
- the fact that the Conservatives consistantly put us deeper in dept. Yes, really. All the stuff about Labour not being careful with the nations money is not true if you look back. For further reading if you dont believe me:-
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/...the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/


-There should be no need for food banks. Ohhh, I can here the intake of breath from here! But if you lost your job, could you last at least 6 weeks without any money?
-The quiet privatisation of the NHS. Did you know there is already a £780 million deal done for private contracts? Why should anyone make a profit from someone sick?

My reasons not to vote Labour
-His team

I am sure I am not the only person who feels like this. I want the best for the country, but I do not want the poorer sections of society to get the shyte end of the stick all the time. I dont want politicians who have been bought and sold or who do not know what real life is like for the majority of people.

So what to do?

Thank you for your post - I find myself for the first time ever having no idea who to vote for - do not agree with any of the parties really. Afraid the cynic in me feels that they all out for themselves. Also I feel strongly that if I don't vote I have no right to moan about things after.

 

[arbel]

Th




Thank you for your post - I find myself for the first time ever having no idea who to vote for - do not agree with any of the parties really. Afraid the cynic in me feels that they all out for themselves. Also I feel strongly that if I don't vote I have no right to moan about things after.

Not easy is it!
I could be very persuaded by the Labour Party manifesto. But it just doesn't cost out. Lots of great ideas, but where the hell is all the money going to come from?
Conversely, the Tories are being much more cautious and I think thats the direction I will be going in.

I keep remembering Gordon Brown's mantra "No more boom and bust" And what happened? A few weeks later it did go boom and the UK did go bust. Here we are, years later, still suffering the results of that so called canny Labour Scot, who sold off our gold reserves at bottom book and once he dropped out of power, neatly slotted into the lucrative after dinner speech circuit. As they all do!

 

[wanton dwarf]

Not easy is it!
I could be very persuaded by the Labour Party manifesto. But it just doesn't cost out. Lots of great ideas, but where the hell is all the money going to come from?
Conversely, the Tories are being much more cautious and I think thats the direction I will be going in.

I keep remembering Gordon Brown's mantra "No more boom and bust" And what happened? A few weeks later it did go boom and the UK did go bust. Here we are, years later, still suffering the results of that so called canny Labour Scot, who sold off our gold reserves at bottom book and once he dropped out of power, neatly slotted into the lucrative after dinner speech circuit. As they all do!

It should be apparant, more than ever, how all the political parties are not acting in the interest of the UK people.

Since the crash of 2008 and the banks being bailed out by the tax payer have we seen any recognition and reward back to the populous ? No, we've got stagnent wages and massive house prices. All ready for another crash.

HS2 is just another PFI scam, taking £1500+ off every man woman and child so a few civil servants can bugger about on trains. It's not even connected to existing Rail stations, Derby + Nottingham + Leicester is being missed and they're putting a station in middle of nowhere at Toton.

If HMG wanted to do something for people North of London they'd stop spending 75%+ of the national infrastructure spend in London EVERY YEAR. An absolute disgrace.

Once we're out of the EU and that excuse has gone. We need a MASSIVE sort out of UK politics. Time to stamp on the necks of politicians and tie them all down.

We don't want extreme policies like mass immigration, Private Finance Initiatives, 125% mortgages, destruction of our industrial base and legalising psychotic causing drugs like weed.

I'm totally underwhelmed by the Tories manifesto ... mission creep into taking wealth off the public whilst doing NOTHING to stop multi billionaires, including soveriegn wealth companies from the likes of France/Norway/Germany, buying up this country and making our young pay. We are not a cash cow.

I find Labours manifesto extreme and platantly dangerous given their association with the unions ... however the takeover of the UK by multi billionaires and sovereign wealth funds needs reversing.

I have to say I am not only concerned but getting very determined to change how this country is run, we all must do our bit and take these organisations over and change them.

Good luck people and stay frosty

 

[arbel]

It should be apparant, more than ever, how all the political parties are not acting in the interest of the UK people.

Since the crash of 2008 and the banks being bailed out by the tax payer have we seen any recognition and reward back to the populous ? No, we've got stagnent wages and massive house prices. All ready for another crash.

HS2 is just another PFI scam, taking £1500+ off every man woman and child so a few civil servants can bugger about on trains. It's not even connected to existing Rail stations, Derby + Nottingham + Leicester is being missed and they're putting a station in middle of nowhere at Toton.

If HMG wanted to do something for people North of London they'd stop spending 75%+ of the national infrastructure spend in London EVERY YEAR. An absolute disgrace.

Once we're out of the EU and that excuse has gone. We need a MASSIVE sort out of UK politics. Time to stamp on the necks of politicians and tie them all down.

We don't want extreme policies like mass immigration, Private Finance Initiatives, 125% mortgages, destruction of our industrial base and legalising psychotic causing drugs like weed.

I'm totally underwhelmed by the Tories manifesto ... mission creep into taking wealth off the public whilst doing NOTHING to stop multi billionaires, including soveriegn wealth companies from the likes of France/Norway/Germany, buying up this country and making our young pay. We are not a cash cow.

I find Labours manifesto extreme and platantly dangerous given their association with the unions ... however the takeover of the UK by multi billionaires and sovereign wealth funds needs reversing.

I have to say I am not only concerned but getting very determined to change how this country is run, we all must do our bit and take these organisations over and change them.

Good luck people and stay frosty

Couldn't have put it better myself!

 

[Courier]

Governments nowadays tend to change by being voted against - not by being voted for .

A wholesale change to the voting system bringing in PR (STV) would get a government which actually represented the opinion of the majority .

 

[linga]

Th




Thank you for your post - I find myself for the first time ever having no idea who to vote for - do not agree with any of the parties really. Afraid the cynic in me feels that they all out for themselves. Also I feel strongly that if I don't vote I have no right to moan about things after.

If you do not agree with any of the parties then you should not vote for any of them so spoil your ballot paper or dont vote.
If none of the parties ideas are deserving of your vote you should feel entitled to moan all you like.
I always think that there should be a "none of the above" option in elections

 

[Ashtree]

Just what all the opposition parties needed to close the gap on TM!!
The perfect motivation tool for remainers and leavers who don't want a crash out Brexit, to get out there and vote against the Tory candidate!
Watch this space. Corbyn for No. 10.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...will-bind-mps-to-no-deal-brexit-a7742516.html

 

[arbel]

Just what all the opposition parties needed to close the gap on TM!!
The perfect motivation tool for remainers and leavers who don't want a crash out Brexit, to get out there and vote against the Tory candidate!
Watch this space. Corbyn for No. 10.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...will-bind-mps-to-no-deal-brexit-a7742516.html

I think that Ashtree for No. 10 would be preferable.

 

[Henarar]

Th




Thank you for your post - I find myself for the first time ever having no idea who to vote for - do not agree with any of the parties really. Afraid the cynic in me feels that they all out for themselves. Also I feel strongly that if I don't vote I have no right to moan about things after.

perhaps you should look to see who your candidates are and make your mind up from there, after all it is your local MP you are voting for

 

[Muck Spreader]

I think that Ashtree for No. 10 would be preferable.

You would have to say it's unlikely and TM has it in the bag but the 1945 general election shows nothing should be taken for granted. The Tories under Churchill where on a dead cert victory. However, Attlee won a landslide by promising a massive spending and nationalisation program in many sectors and not dissimilar to JC's manifesto.

 

[arbel]

You would have to say it's unlikely and TM has it in the bag but the 1945 general election shows nothing should be taken for granted. The Tories under Churchill where on a dead cert victory. However, Attlee won a landslide by promising a massive spending and nationalisation program in many sectors and not dissimilar to JC's manifesto.

I agree. Scary thought!!
It seemed at the time as if Churchill's position was rock solid. I hope no unpleasant surprises after June the 8th.
Crystal ball says - TM will make it with a very clear majority. If it's wrong, I will have it rendered down into glass marbles.