General Election

[The Donald]

Yes I probably would.

No need to tell us anything. I still think you are a Lbour Party plant.

You're wrong. But that's ok.
I most absolutely certainly will not vote Labour in this election. Neither will I now vote Tory. Tories will win but with a far smaller majority than anybody could have imagined a couple of weeks ago. I think TM made a hash of the triggering of article 50 with her ham fisted threats about security cooperation with Europe, on which she had to row back on. I think she made a hash of her Tory party conference with over the top rhetoric on immigration and immigrants. I think she is now making a hash of the election. On the basis of all of that I think there is more than a small chance she will make a hash of the exit negotiations.
But of course that is only my opinion. I have been known to be wildly wrong about many different things on many different occasions.

 

[Old McDonald]

We cared for or mum at home and would have been the opposite as the home care option doesn't take the house into account as we are already providing that but with these changes the at home care people will have to stump up their house as well.

Having dealt with some absolutely useless care companies 1 of which we had to sack off for being incompetent i for one would be in no hurry to sell a house to pay for these useless clowns.!

Your house would not be at risk. If (under the manifesto) you cared for your mother there would be no charges to pay. You would only pay if you employed others to care for her.

Your second paragraph suggests you did employ people on a private basis. There would be no difference under the new proposals to at present. If you employ someone, you pay them. Nothing new.

 

[wanton dwarf]

You obviously have no idea whatsoever how difficult this would be. You have never worked as part of an election process that is for sure. You do not even know what their work is when an elector approaches the table for a ballot paper. Watch very carefully when you go to vote on 8th June. Note who does what. Then report back.

The stub of a ballot paper is marked by one of the clerks issuing them with the electoral number of the voter. As I have posted before, this is so that in extreme circumstances it is possible to trace a ballot paper to an individual voter. I have never known this happen, and I have been an Assistant Returnig Officer on numerous elections (could have been RO on a few occasions but declined the "offer". It is too much hassle for the reward.) so know the procedure very well.

If it was permissible, I would be willing to wager that you could not match one chosen at random ballot paper with the name of the voter in a working day if all the ballot papers for a constituency in a GE were put together.

I have to laugh.

You claim I don't know when you have just stated there is a link between the vote and the ballot paper.

You claim this is to be used in "extreme circumstances" ... yet it is the default action. I've seen it before many times.

The ballot is not blind and can be traced quite easily by machines.

Did you know your mobile phone can read any document it sees, translate it into a different language and then send it where ever it wants.

Still you carry on thinking about pencils, papers and hand sorting.

Given the documents I bet I could match the name in less than a second, in fact I bet I could determine where you lived, what you ate, what your social life was, holidays, flights, phone calls, movement patterns ... most of this stuff is recorded.

 

[Billhook]

You obviously have no idea whatsoever how difficult this would be. You have never worked as part of an election process that is for sure. You do not even know what their work is when an elector approaches the table for a ballot paper. Watch very carefully when you go to vote on 8th June. Note who does what. Then report back.

The stub of a ballot paper is marked by one of the clerks issuing them with the electoral number of the voter. As I have posted before, this is so that in extreme circumstances it is possible to trace a ballot paper to an individual voter. I have never known this happen, and I have been an Assistant Returnig Officer on numerous elections (could have been RO on a few occasions but declined the "offer". It is too much hassle for the reward.) so know the procedure very well.

If it was permissible, I would be willing to wager that you could not match one chosen at random ballot paper with the name of the voter in a working day if all the ballot papers for a constituency in a GE were put together.

I understand what you say Old Mac but I am uncomfortable with the number on my slip being linked to anything. A secret vote should be just that. I take this up with the officials every time I vote and they say the same thing as you. My reply is that in our village there are only two elderly officials on duty and a couple of big blokes could come in at the end of the day and walk out with the ballot box and the appropriate paperwork with all the names and numbers.
In that case you would say that you just hold another ballot for that village.. The trouble is somebody knows now which way you voted and could intimidate or at scare people into not voting again.
Not relevant to our rural communities but I do worry about inner cities where people like Abu Hamza have a large influence and control.. They may even have planted their people in the system. He could wave a voting slip and the corresponding paperwork in front of his congregation of thousands saying "I know which way you vote" even if this was not the case it would be enough to intimidate voters.

 

[czechmate]

Do not be sorry for me. That is the present situation. We all know it. Four us received about £4,000 each. Under the proposed Conservative manifesto we would have received £25,000 each. Do you think I will not vote Conservative in the GE?

You only care about money then?

I certainly wouldn't sell my vote for 21K

 

[Wombat]

Your house would not be at risk. If (under the manifesto) you cared for your mother there would be no charges to pay. You would only pay if you employed others to care for her.

Your second paragraph suggests you did employ people on a private basis. There would be no difference under the new proposals to at present. If you employ someone, you pay them. Nothing new.

No but we had to sell mums house to adjust my sisters to make it suitable for my mum and her care needs that money they would have been after despite it costing most of that to build the wet rooms, strengthen ceilings for hoists etc.

In the U.K. You can either get the local authority to do all the care themselves you just make the request or you can take the care budget into your hands from the local authority and advertise and manage the care process yourselves it adds a lot more stress as if someone falls in sick you have to sort it, arrange holidays etc but at least you have some control of who is turning up. It just takes a lot of doing alongside a job etc but when it's your mum I just do it.

. We started with the first but got so sick of them ballsing it up or having carers not turn up and having to fly out of work to get back to get my mum to the toilet as no one had turned up. Most of these care companies are there to give people their lunch and someone a cup of tea not to do complex care needs

 

[The Donald]

So then, Theresa May is backtracking!!!!!!
Shocking to think that the person in charge of Brexit negotiations could be so naive in the first instance! Two big events for her as leader and the country as a whole in Article 50 letter and the general election manifesto have been absolutely mismanaged by her personally! Clearly not up to the task!
May says to cap amount elderly have to pay for social care
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-election-socialcare-idUKKBN18I19B

 

[RobFZS]

Labour are running a joke campaign of giveaways and the Tories are just useless, cant wait for it to be over

 

[czechmate]

Labour are running a joke campaign of giveaways and the Tories are just useless, cant wait for it to be over

Trump/Clinton - de j'avoue

 

[The Donald]

Labour are running a joke campaign of giveaways and the Tories are just useless, cant wait for it to be over

Can you imagine the outcome of the future free trade negotiations ..........................
It's beginning to dawn on me now. Expectations which so many of us had that freed of EU dead hand, our politicians would
perform with a good degree of competence and proficiency in running the affairs of the country, now seem to have been badly misplaced.
I fear the tragic comedy we now see unfolding before our eyes, is a true reflection of the incompetence which our politicians performed their duties,
within the EU and how they will perform internationally outside the EU. Our boys, will be cannon fodder for the Chinese when it comes to the trade deal intricacies.

 

[RobFZS]

Can you imagine the outcome of the future free trade negotiations ..........................
It's beginning to dawn on me now. Expectations which so many of us had that freed of EU dead hand, our politicians would
perform with a good degree of competence and proficiency in running the affairs of the country, now seem to have been badly misplaced.
I fear the tragic comedy we now see unfolding before our eyes, is a true reflection of the incompetence which our politicians performed their duties,
within the EU and how they will perform internationally outside the EU. Our boys, will be cannon fodder for the Chinese when it comes to the trade deal intricacies.

Good, a new breed of competent politicians will arise eventually

Rather than these attention seeking sh!t heads we have at the moment

 

[JP1]

Good, a new breed of competent politicians will arise eventually

Rather than these attention seeking sh!t heads we have at the moment

As Jeremy Clarkson once remarked of the original Labour Leader challengers "Empty milk bottles in suits"

 

[JP1]

 

[Old McDonald]

I have to laugh.

You claim I don't know when you have just stated there is a link between the vote and the ballot paper.

You claim this is to be used in "extreme circumstances" ... yet it is the default action. I've seen it before many times.

The ballot is not blind and can be traced quite easily by machines.

Did you know your mobile phone can read any document it sees, translate it into a different language and then send it where ever it wants.

Still you carry on thinking about pencils, papers and hand sorting.

Given the documents I bet I could match the name in less than a second, in fact I bet I could determine where you lived, what you ate, what your social life was, holidays, flights, phone calls, movement patterns ... most of this stuff is recorded.

Laugh away. Your second paragraph is so wrong about election procedure. It does not happen.

IF and that is one enormous big if, machines were used to match up the stubs and ballot papers it would mean someone accessing all the stubs and all the ballot papers. Not an impossible task, and although it is a criminal offence, I am sure there are those who would try it if paid enough. How much would you have to pay a criminal gang to do such a thing? It is a lot of paper and it is going to take a long time to do the job. What is the value to the person paying the criminals? Not enough.

Of course I talk about pencils, paper and hand sorting because that is the way it is done. Why is it done that way? Because it increases the security of nobody finding out how you voted. I totally agree that machine voting means it is all too easy to identify voters, but machines are not used in the UK.

If you had the relevant stub and matching ballot paper (and as I said that woud not be an easy task) it would most definitely take you more than a second to find the name of the person who voted. Think about it. How do you find the name of the voter? You cannot do it in less than a second.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Good, a new breed of competent politicians will arise eventually

Rather than these attention seeking sh!t heads we have at the moment

Unfortunately we need them now. And I don't even want to contemplate the horrendous thought of a Labour coalition. I doubt they could even get a Brexit negotiating team together let alone get a deal. However, it would probably totally fox Michel Barnier trying to deal with Diane Abbot and JC.

 

[Old McDonald]

A secret vote should be just that. I take this up with the officials every time I vote and they say the same thing as you

Of course they do. Do you seriously believe that it is not a secret ballot? Have you considered the logistics of what you suggest could happen? I suggest you try to get yourself a place as a Poll Clerk on 8th June.

My reply is that in our village there are only two elderly officials on duty and a couple of big blokes could come in at the end of the day and walk out with the ballot box and the appropriate paperwork with all the names and numbers.
In that case you would say that you just hold another ballot for that village.

Obviously it is possible that any polling station could be overcome in such a way, and it does happen in some countries. I would not say that you would just hold another ballot in the village. The whole election would be void.

 

[Old McDonald]

You only care about money then?

I certainly wouldn't sell my vote for 21K

I have posted before that I wonder what makes people like you tick. You have to twist posts of others to enable you to make some obnoxious remark. I know I am one of your favourite targets, but you do it to others too. Why? I find it weird that a mature man gets his kicks from such behaviour.

It is absolute stupidity to suggest that I can gain £21,000 from voting Conservative. My mother is dead. Remember that - My mother is dead. Your sugestion that I might benefit from her death if I vote in a particular way is extremely abhorrent. I am sure that other posters whose mothers are still alive will find it equally abhorrent.

 

[Old McDonald]

No but we had to sell mums house to adjust my sisters to make it suitable for my mum and her care needs that money they would have been after despite it costing most of that to build the wet rooms, strengthen ceilings for hoists etc.

That is what happens at present. Thousands, perhaps millions, of us have been through that. The family house was sold to pay for care - either at the home of a relative, or in a care home.

In many, perhaps in most, cases the end result is that the family cannot give that 24 hours a day care towards the end and so the parent has to end up in one of those places where you go to die. It is not pleasant for those who visit, and it must be even worse for those who are put in there.

The cost of these places is horrendous. Without looking back I do not remember who, but one poster mentioned £2,700 a month. That seems about what we paid for my mother.

It was not the lack of inheritance that bothered me, it was the fact that my father spent so many years down the pit, pulling out the timbers to let the roof fall after the coal had been extracted, thereby making it safe for others, and strived to acquire a smallholding and then that it was all taken away after his death. Under the proposed rules he would still have left a reasonable inheritance for his kids and I think that would have pleased him. Under the old ones he failed. He would not hve liked to know he had failed. Would you?

 

[czechmate]

That is what happens at present. Thousands, perhaps millions, of us have been through that. The family house was sold to pay for care - either at the home of a relative, or in a care home.

In many, perhaps in most, cases the end result is that the family cannot give that 24 hours a day care towards the end and so the parent has to end up in one of those places where you go to die. It is not pleasant for those who visit, and it must be even worse for those who are put in there.

The cost of these places is horrendous. Without looking back I do not remember who, but one poster mentioned £2,700 a month. That seems about what we paid for my mother.

It was not the lack of inheritance that bothered me, it was the fact that my father spent so many years down the pit, pulling out the timbers to let the roof fall after the coal had been extracted, thereby making it safe for others, and strived to acquire a smallholding and then that it was all taken away after his death. Under the proposed rules he would still have left a reasonable inheritance for his kids and I think that would have pleased him. Under the old ones he failed. He would not hve liked to know he had failed. Would you?

He could have given it away before hand?

 

[Old McDonald]

He could have given it away before hand?

You really are the most annoying so and so.

To whom could he have given it? You already know exactly when he died. You make a point of looking up old posts. You know he died on my 35th birthday, and you know my birthday is 4th May, and you know my age.

My mother lived for 31 years after that. She lived in the family home until she had to go into care. He left her debt free and with some savings.