Germany bow to Putin's demands

[bobk]

Germany to pay for Russian gas via murky rouble swap

Germany has caved into President Putin’s demand to pay for Russian gas via a murky system that converts funds paid in euros to roubles. Robert Habeck, the Germa

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[bobk]

Not Agricultural Matters but this does show EU priorities , unbelievably sad

 

[steveR]

Not Agricultural Matters but this does show EU priorities , unbelievably sad

More German, than EU surely??

The Chancellor is far too cosy with the Putin regime...

 

[bobk]

More German, than EU surely??

The Chancellor is far too cosy with the Putin regime...

Germany is the EU ,

 

[glasshouse]

More German, than EU surely??

The Chancellor is far too cosy with the Putin regime...

Repeat of molotov ribbentrop
Pact and squash poland?

 

[steveR]

Repeat of molotov ribbentrop
Pact and squash poland?

I suspect the present Polish armed forces would whup the Germans... For starters, they have deployed overseas and seen action, unlike Germany who will not allow their troops to get involved with anything nasty....

 

[bobk]

I suspect the present Polish armed forces would whup the Germans... For starters, they have deployed overseas and seen action, unlike Germany who will not allow their troops to get involved with anything nasty....

Let's not start another war

 

[grainboy]

Too far dependent on imported fuel,
Their manufacturing industry will be on its knees with no fuel,
Reap what you sow, when you play with the devil,

 

[steveR]

Let's not start another war

Think you will find that someone has.....

 

[grainboy]

Too far dependent on imported fuel,
Their manufacturing industry will be on its knees with no fuel,
Reap what you sow, when you play with the devil,

And why did they go down this route, ???
To get rid of the fossil fuelled home grown power,
so they could purport to be environmentally compliant,
Who made those rules, EU,

 

[M-J-G]

@bobk you do realise that unless you go energy free you are supporting Russia.

Even if we don't buy direct, we create a vacuum that someone will balance

 

[Al R]

So what about all the AD plants in Germany? Isn’t there over 8000 there what are they supplying if they still need Russian gas?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Let's not start another war

Doesn't the west "need some wars" though?

Nearly all conflicts are designed for European benefit - not the ones on the ground of course, but the ones at the very top

I mean, the USA has been 'the war machine' since its inception;
Trump was odd-one-out for not kicking a war off somewhere, every POTUS since Jimmy Carter has done what Putin has done or worse - and they've always had full European support for doing so... because war helps make the rich richer

Without war: people aren't distracted enough, aren't malleable enough, and start to see how rotten peacetime is, how corrupt their rotten governments are...

the Ukraine conflict was completely preventable (for over a decade), but nothing was done to prevent it, nothing at all, and so it became yet another casualty.

It must be great to have the sense of it being "all this guy's fault" but once he's gone, it will all just start again somewhere else - between limited wars and destruction of industrial agriculture, we're all in the doo-doos

 

[neilo]

Germany is the EU ,

Poland haven’t caved, yet are also in the EU.

Just maybe, it’s a ‘German’ decision, not an EU one? I do appreciate that doesn’t fit with your incessant anti-EU rhetoric though. Why anyone would want to buy a house there, I’ll never understand.

 

[Cowabunga]

Not Agricultural Matters but this does show EU priorities , unbelievably sad

They, Germany, haven’t got any choice because their failed energy security policies have resulted in their whole economy being hostage to Russian gas supplies in the short term. Their Green Party caused the closure of their perfectly good nuclear power stations to be replaced by Russian gas and coal power. A disastrous and short sighted policy supported by only idiots.
Should they not be supplied with gas, and that may yet come to pass as the war ramps up to a Putin defeat, then the German economy would just grind to a halt and their people and industry would be without heating, cooking, gas or electricity. This is war! Just in case you hadn’t noticed. It has consequences.

 

[jendan]

They, Germany, haven’t got any choice because their failed energy security policies have resulted in their whole economy being hostage to Russian gas supplies in the short term. Their Green Party caused the closure of their perfectly good nuclear power stations to be replaced by Russian gas and coal power. A disastrous and short sighted policy supported by only idiots.
Should they not be supplied with gas, and that may yet come to pass as the war ramps up to a Putin defeat, then the Russian economy would just grind to a halt and their people and industry would be without heating, cooking, gas or electricity. This is war! Just in case you hadn’t noticed. It has consequences.

Russian economy,or German economy?

 

[Cowabunga]

Russian economy,or German economy?

Sorry, German economy of course. Now corrected. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[glasshouse]

Germany needs to take the hit, as russias economy will also grind to a halt.
Germany should stop paying for gas now, and put the money aside for rebuilding ukraine, and get those reactors firing again.

 

[czechmate]

Germany needs to take the hit, as russias economy will also grind to a halt.
Germany should stop paying for gas now, and put the money aside for rebuilding ukraine, and get those reactors firing again.

You might almost think Putrid was waiting for the Germans to switch the reactors off

 

[Happy]

Germany needs to take the hit, as russias economy will also grind to a halt.
Germany should stop paying for gas now, and put the money aside for rebuilding ukraine, and get those reactors firing again.

Some were built and never even commissioned.
A good few on here will have been on the trip to the Lemken factory where the overnight stay is at a nuclear power station turned into a holiday park. Cooling tower is used for abseiling down into.