Germany bow to Putin's demands

Hjcarter

Member
Doesn't the west "need some wars" though?

Nearly all conflicts are designed for European benefit - not the ones on the ground of course, but the ones at the very top

I mean, the USA has been 'the war machine' since its inception;
Trump was odd-one-out for not kicking a war off somewhere, every POTUS since Jimmy Carter has done what Putin has done or worse - and they've always had full European support for doing so... because war helps make the rich richer

Without war: people aren't distracted enough, aren't malleable enough, and start to see how rotten peacetime is, how corrupt their rotten governments are...

the Ukraine conflict was completely preventable (for over a decade), but nothing was done to prevent it, nothing at all, and so it became yet another casualty.

It must be great to have the sense of it being "all this guy's fault" but once he's gone, it will all just start again somewhere else - between limited wars and destruction of industrial agriculture, we're all in the doo-doos
Speechless.

I'm sure the 4 million displaced people of Ukraine agree with you, along with the farmers trying to work their land in flak jackets. Or the daughter who went to look for her father who had gone to buy bread only to be cut down by shrapnel - apparently the bread is still on the table and she touches it each time she walks past it because it reminds her of him.

I hope that this isn't a conversation repeated in 20 years time when someone's marching into Taiwan or the Solomon islands because they're a sight closer to you. In fact as I recall, someone's already started chucking their weight about telling the Aussies what its going to be like and they didn't sit on the fence wringing their hands.

If you want to find bad in the world its easy - just look out the window. If you want to find good then go out and make it.

If you want to be cynical and self righteous then go find Facebook - if you want to moan about weather and feet prices then this is the place for you!!!
 

fgc325j

Member
Doesn't the west "need some wars" though?

Nearly all conflicts are designed for European benefit - not the ones on the ground of course, but the ones at the very top

I mean, the USA has been 'the war machine' since its inception;
Trump was odd-one-out for not kicking a war off somewhere, every POTUS since Jimmy Carter has done what Putin has done or worse - and they've always had full European support for doing so... because war helps make the rich richer

Without war: people aren't distracted enough, aren't malleable enough, and start to see how rotten peacetime is, how corrupt their rotten governments are...

the Ukraine conflict was completely preventable (for over a decade), but nothing was done to prevent it, nothing at all, and so it became yet another casualty.

It must be great to have the sense of it being "all this guy's fault" but once he's gone, it will all just start again somewhere else - between limited wars and destruction of industrial agriculture, we're all in the doo-doos
Re Trump "odd-one-out for not kicking a war off somewhere", somebody needs to ask - would Trump have made the statement, that Joe Biden did,
that he would be "Ok with Russia doing a minor incursion into the Ukraine"??. It also needs to be asked that if Trump was still POTUS would Putin
have invaded at all ??. After Biden had made that "minor incursion" statement Putin must have pee'd himself laughing. Biden is like a week old
lettuce leaf you find at the bottom of the salad drawer in the fridge. He is not fit for purpose.
 

GeorgeK

Member
Location
Leicestershire
Are we any better though... And as for gas we still depend on Russia indirectly because although only 5% of our gas is Russian, as the EU starts sourcing alternatives they will be competing for our suppliers such as Norway which in turn pushes our prices up.

 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
Re Trump "odd-one-out for not kicking a war off somewhere", somebody needs to ask - would Trump have made the statement, that Joe Biden did,
that he would be "Ok with Russia doing a minor incursion into the Ukraine"??. It also needs to be asked that if Trump was still POTUS would Putin
have invaded at all ??. After Biden had made that "minor incursion" statement Putin must have pee'd himself laughing. Biden is like a week old
lettuce leaf you find at the bottom of the salad drawer in the fridge. He is not fit for purpose.
Not many "world leaders" are fit for purpose, and that's why they're there.

I'm only guessing at this as being a reasonable answer to your other questions, but Trump wasn't a groomed puppet // complicit shyster like the Bushes, Obama, Biden and the rest of our leaders... his ideas are largely his own, rather than the indoctrinated blanket "ideas" of the graduates of the WEF's young leaders programme.

That's not to imply he "didn't know" the deal in Ukraine, but that his views on it would be his own instead of 'the official party line' about the deal in Ukraine.
I don't particularly like the guy but at least he's his own man.

They (Russia+Ukraine) signed an agreement for Ukraine to become a neutral country, and Ukraine simply didn't deliver on that agreement, in fact becoming less neutral since signing it- so what would you do?

Say it's alright to do whatever you like,, or follow it up?

Most people in Putin's position wouldn't have any other option other than to follow up The Minsk Agreement without their own fitness-for-purpose being called into question.

I don't like the guy either but I'm also not blinded by either side's propaganda machines, as an investor I need to be aware of what is likely to happen in the future. Hence selling a whole lot of stocks over the past few years and attempting to change our risk profile in business

This invasion has been "more than likely" for about 8 years but only really "inevitable" for a few months, with both Russia and Ukraine breaking what was agreed upon since signing

And what do you know, even "the details" of that have been altered in the past year or so, so IMVHO the whole think stinks to high heaven as being most certainly set-up....right down to how Trump got into and out of the presidency, how your PM and most of our other PMs around the world came to be where they are today.... it all bloody stinks.
Luckily most people watch the news or there'd be riots.
 

toquark

Member
Some were built and never even commissioned.
A good few on here will have been on the trip to the Lemken factory where the overnight stay is at a nuclear power station turned into a holiday park. Cooling tower is used for abseiling down into.
The Austrians built a nuclear plant in the late 70s, even back then the green lobby managed to never get it commissioned or used commercially. A further two planned plants never came to fruition. Its now used as a training and research facility for nuclear scientists and technicians to go into an industry which doesn't exist.

They stuck some solar panels on it producing 180MWh. In contrast to the capacity of the defunct plant which was 5,455,728 MWh.
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
Speechless.

I'm sure the 4 million displaced people of Ukraine agree with you, along with the farmers trying to work their land in flak jackets. Or the daughter who went to look for her father who had gone to buy bread only to be cut down by shrapnel - apparently the bread is still on the table and she touches it each time she walks past it because it reminds her of him.

I hope that this isn't a conversation repeated in 20 years time when someone's marching into Taiwan or the Solomon islands because they're a sight closer to you. In fact as I recall, someone's already started chucking their weight about telling the Aussies what its going to be like and they didn't sit on the fence wringing their hands.

If you want to find bad in the world its easy - just look out the window. If you want to find good then go out and make it.

If you want to be cynical and self righteous then go find Facebook - if you want to moan about weather and feet prices then this is the place for you!!!
That's an awful lot of speechlessness, not unexpected though.

Last time I said different to "the narrative" I was pinged for it, and every other time... that's just how things pan out when you have no filter

Actually TFF IS a great place to study how people deal with "the enemy", whether it's criminals, government policies, NGO's, foreigners, weather being weather ....

.. it's likewise a fantastic place to study just how far being resigned and cynical gets you in life, a great insight into how "present" war is in the minds of other populations; how looking good or not looking bad are elevated to something above agreement and opinion, into something that shapes lives and businesses and outcomes.
 

TheTallGuy

Member
Location
Cambridgeshire
Not many "world leaders" are fit for purpose, and that's why they're there.

I'm only guessing at this as being a reasonable answer to your other questions, but Trump wasn't a groomed puppet // complicit shyster like the Bushes, Obama, Biden and the rest of our leaders... his ideas are largely his own, rather than the indoctrinated blanket "ideas" of the graduates of the WEF's young leaders programme.

That's not to imply he "didn't know" the deal in Ukraine, but that his views on it would be his own instead of 'the official party line' about the deal in Ukraine.
I don't particularly like the guy but at least he's his own man.

They (Russia+Ukraine) signed an agreement for Ukraine to become a neutral country, and Ukraine simply didn't deliver on that agreement, in fact becoming less neutral since signing it- so what would you do?

Say it's alright to do whatever you like,, or follow it up?

Most people in Putin's position wouldn't have any other option other than to follow up The Minsk Agreement without their own fitness-for-purpose being called into question.

I don't like the guy either but I'm also not blinded by either side's propaganda machines, as an investor I need to be aware of what is likely to happen in the future. Hence selling a whole lot of stocks over the past few years and attempting to change our risk profile in business

This invasion has been "more than likely" for about 8 years but only really "inevitable" for a few months, with both Russia and Ukraine breaking what was agreed upon since signing

And what do you know, even "the details" of that have been altered in the past year or so, so IMVHO the whole think stinks to high heaven as being most certainly set-up....right down to how Trump got into and out of the presidency, how your PM and most of our other PMs around the world came to be where they are today.... it all bloody stinks.
Luckily most people watch the news or there'd be riots.
Which agreement required Ukraine to be "neutral" - particularly in the face of Russia interfering both politically and militarily in the territorial integrity of Ukraine in violation of previous agreements.
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
Which agreement required Ukraine to be "neutral" - particularly in the face of Russia interfering both politically and militarily in the territorial integrity of Ukraine in violation of previous agreements.
That's the summary of the 12 point peace plan as laid out in the 2014 Minsk agreement?

It wasn't to be neutral, it was to neutralise or become a more neutral country.

Having a whole bunch of anti-Russian countries chucking weapons into the region is hardly a good way to show you're keeping up your side of the bargain, I've read the stuff about the "bioweapon labs" and I don't know if that's any more of a thing than what they're doing up the road in Timaru or simply grasping,, there seems to be a lot of grasping going on

I guess everyone will be grasping if someone pushes the big red button, seems to be where it's going if nobody backs down
 

Happy

Member
Location
Scotland
A new one?

Was completed around time of Chernobyl and then never commissioned.
Has been a holiday/theme park for past 20-25 years I think.
Now that I think of it the abseiling was maybe down the outside of the cooling tower with a fairground ride swinging round the inside of it.
 

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