Geronimo.
- Thread starter Castle Farm
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I don't know anything about camelids, but when a reactor bovine doesn't show lesions, it doesn't mean it was a false positive.
Its zoonotic, and if any animal is going to transfer it to a person its a special one that gets lots of close contact with devoted people
CopperBeech
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Ok I accept that to a point, but tens of thousands of cattle being killed every year with TB, TB in badgers, TB in deer, TB rife in camelids...... and yet there is f*ck all TB seen in the rural community really and the vast majority of the (I think) 7000 cases a year are within the immigrant population within London and a few other major cities. And you’re not telling me they have been cuddling camelids or cows ?
It is a massive money spinning exercise and con. Culling livestock, be they camelids or cows, is doing nowt for stopping the spread..... so why not change tactics ?
Tb is rife in some countries the immigrants have come from and pasteurisation isn't, added to cramped living conditions they then occupy and poorer than average general health and you have an opportunity for spread.. I can't back an arguement for leaving known infected animals around in the UK, I could certainly back one for leaving less around. Tactics should be changed.
CopperBeech
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Genuinely though ...... how many cases of TB in the Uk do you think have been picked up from cattle etc? How many cattle farmers have TB?
Is mass culling of cows positively effecting the TB levels in this country year on year (other than obviously removing individual animals).
And how much money is being made by certain people and bodies with the current system in place ?
matthew
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- Cornwall, SW England
The issue is that zoonotic Tuberculosis is a grade 3 pathogen, and this government has signed international agreements to eradicate it to protect human health. That means testing cattle and any other farmed animal and where .TB is confirmed the animal must be destroyed.
where wildlife reservoirs exist, we are the only country daft enough to leave them to upspill back into tested sentinel cattle. So now we have a problem in many species, including domestic pets. They are up close and personal with their owners, and that is the issue.
The ’zero impact’ is because of the problems successive governments have in honouring their commitments to eradicate zoonotic tuberculosis from the country. A moratorium was placed on the section of the Protection of Badgers Act which allowed their culling ‘to prevent the spread of disease’, in 1997.
It is still in place.
The Thornbury badger clearance in the early 80s gave us a total absence of TB in cattle for at least ten years with “no other contemporaneous events to explain this except the thorough clearance of badgers from the area”. ( Parliamentary questions Hansard 2004)
At least that was an honest answer. Simples.
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- Shropshire
I actually know of two families who cought tb from drinking milk out the tank and of 2 hunt servants who got it
matthew
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- Cornwall, SW England
One abattoir worker, thought to be from reactor cattle but several vets and alpaca owners contracted disease via open or bite wounds (badgers) or petting (alpacas). We’ve reported multiple cat owners, and one dog owner.
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- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
I was told TB in cattle is only infectious in the latter stages, and with testing we are picking them up before they get really infectious, badgers on the other hand are not only really infectious but TB is allowed to get to the latter stages in them too. Point of interest, I have heard of a suckler producer who caught TB off the cattle by the way.
What do you think I am a walking TB Statscyclopedia?
Exact figures as follows:
No idea. No idea.
Yes. If it has prevented one case it is positive. Is it worth it? No idea.
No idea.
CopperBeech
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So the grand plan is to just keep on testing and culling cows forever 
whilst watching the TB problem grow. Sounds about right 
some serious money being made, it’s basically now an industry. Most the cows end up in the food chain anyway.
whilst watching the TB problem grow. Sounds about right some serious money being made, it’s basically now an industry. Most the cows end up in the food chain anyway.
Water Wheel
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Try reading WHO TB website , zoonotic tb is an important part of the battle against tb, we in UK cannot ignore it and expect the third world to deal with it. Pre Covid TB was the biggest killer of all infectious diseases in man. That is in spite of BCG being the worlds most used vaccine, again pre covid.
Yes.So the grand plan is to just keep on testing and culling cows forever
some serious money being made, it’s basically now an industry. Most the cows end up in the food chain anyway.
Personally, I think that plan is flawed (!)
Rationally, either depopulate the wildlife use existing tests and continue to try to erradicate tb or ban raw milk sales and accept that British mammalian life is hooching with tb, or third wonder dream drug/test/tech option
In 2019 there was a 2.4% increase in human TB cases. Mostly in London for well-known reasons.
The map makes interesting viewing though with a bias towards the South/South West.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...nt_data/file/943356/TB_Annual_Report_2020.pdf
The map makes interesting viewing though with a bias towards the South/South West.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...nt_data/file/943356/TB_Annual_Report_2020.pdf
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- somerset
this is a load of rollocks, cannot possibly true, because the 'antis' have decided so.Went looking for an explanation of the enferplex test and found this interesting...
other wise quite reassuring, esp the bit about the specific for camelids, as requested by their society, come to think about it, they haven't had much to say, have they ?
CopperBeech
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Was always told if you are fighting a war, have been using the same tactics for a long time and seeing little success .......: change tactics. It’s not rocket science.
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- somerset
when TB becomes resistant to A/B, and starts spreading in the human population, as it is already, there will be a groundswell of opinion, to get rid of it, in the animal population. Absolutely certain, most of the anti cull people, would have a drastic change of opinion, if they, or their nearest, were threatened by it.
Bovine TB cattle is different from the usually seen in humans. Its usually seen in people who have close contact with cattle, like vets and farm workers as milk is now pasteurised and raw milk tested.
Mycobacterium bovis (M. bovis): reducing the risk of human infection
Guidance for farmers and others who work with livestock on reducing the risk of human M. bovis infection.
TB in the community is usually spread person to person, pulmonary TB, in often in areas where there are poor quality living conditions.
Tuberculosis cases in England hit lowest ever levels
New cases of tuberculosis (TB) in England have fallen to the lowest levels since records began.
For some reason I can not find the stats for bovine TB in humans, but last time I looked, in comparison to respiratory TB there were few, mainly farmers, vets and abattoir workers.
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- Lincolnshire
My grandmother’s sister, the village schoolteacher, died at the age of 22 of bovine TB caught from the two cows kept for milk on the verges in the days before testing. She spent her last days in a local isolation hospital. It was a real enough disease in humans before pasteurisation. Strangely though, none of her close relatives succumbed to it but did go on to develop rheumatoid arthritis in later life due to an overactive immune system turning on their own bodies. Was there a connection? Maybe. My grandfather was engaged to be married to my grandmothers sister originally. It was a disease that directly altered the course of our family history.