Geronimo.

The stats for 'bovine' TB in humans are not as clear cut you would imagine.
When people present with suspected TB, it needs an experienced third world doctor to even spot it. Then it goes down on the notes as MTC (M. tuberculosis Complex) and is often treated as m. tuberculosis instead of m.bovis.
M.bovis
requires different drugs - and they are a really nasty cocktail. But as m.bovis is part of MTC group the notes do not need to be changed.
 

Cowmansam

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My best mates grandmother was a nurse in the tb hospital outside of Liverpool his grandfather was a patient they used to just stick them outside in the fresh air and hope they lived said he seen hundreds die in the six months he was there used to be rife in schools and cities
 
My B in L used to run a coach service each Sunday, Manchester area to the TB isolation hospital in High Carley , Ulverston . It regularly filled 2 x 41 seaters of family/ visitors . It dwindled to one 41 and one 29 seater , then one 41 , latterly only one 29 only partly full . Eventually , since it was a licenced service they ran a taxi !. Eventually that finished as well , and he had to get permission from the traffic commissioners to end the service as it was no longer needed . Very shortly after that the "sani" shut down , with the declaration that TB in humans was finally eradicated . Just as a point of interest , my F. in L. owned the field next to the "sani" and ran cattle on it , and he told me that it was only cattle that had grazed that field that reacted to the test . The sani has long ago gone , with a housing development in it's place . Again , as a point of interest , a distant relative was a sister in a hospital , with a big local immigrant population . She told me that , often one would come to A and E complaining of a "slight cough " that turned out to be TB . even though they were supposed to all be screened before being allowed in . She thought that was the rebirth of TB in this country .
 

som farmer

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cousins l/lord, built a new house and farm for him, developed the old one, no trouble with the farm buildings, when they started to build the house, all hell let loose, the whole site was on the foot print of the old isolation hospital, the worry being, what they could dig up, and 'release' into the air. One always thinks of TB, but scarlet fever, diphtheria etc, all ended up there. They never found any 'problem', not suprised really, uncle had kept pigs up there for 50 years, or so, they would have recycled anything.
 

som farmer

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somerset
??? so why did they test that one?.. symptoms?.. and the others have never been tested?.. I must have missed something here!
perhaps its not political to do so, quite understandable, seeing the time and fuss, over germaxcost, they are usually pampered pets, so chance of spreading it low. Not that that is acceptable, it certainly isn't, but l do have a modicum of sympathy for the min ! You are moving from 'animals' to 'pets', the difference is huge, as the cats and dogs, from afganistan, has highlighted the fact, pets are more important, than people.
 

Lincsman

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Lincolnshire
perhaps its not political to do so, quite understandable, seeing the time and fuss, over germaxcost, they are usually pampered pets, so chance of spreading it low. Not that that is acceptable, it certainly isn't, but l do have a modicum of sympathy for the min ! You are moving from 'animals' to 'pets', the difference is huge, as the cats and dogs, from afganistan, has highlighted the fact, pets are more important, than people.

There is the answer then, big sign at every cattle farm stating these are all pets and their names are listed below, everyone welcome to come and pet them.
 

Lofty1984

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South wales
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Ffermer Bach

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My grandmother’s sister, the village schoolteacher, died at the age of 22 of bovine TB caught from the two cows kept for milk on the verges in the days before testing. She spent her last days in a local isolation hospital. It was a real enough disease in humans before pasteurisation. Strangely though, none of her close relatives succumbed to it but did go on to develop rheumatoid arthritis in later life due to an overactive immune system turning on their own bodies. Was there a connection? Maybe. My grandfather was engaged to be married to my grandmothers sister originally. It was a disease that directly altered the course of our family history.
My gran told me, here best friend died of TB, at about the same age in Pembroke. Terribly sad, especially as now the politicians are allowing the disease to spread throughout our wildlife.
 

Exfarmer

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Bury St Edmunds
??? so why did they test that one?.. symptoms?.. and the others have never been tested?.. I must have missed something here!
I believe it was imported as a stud animal. As I understand, She had it tested to help promote its virtues.

Completely aside an acquaintance from non farming background has some pet alpacas. He has always worked from home and has some weird sidelines.
As part of his business he began promoting his alpacas and made a big thing when badgers started visiting. He was not amused when I pointed out the downside
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
I believe it was imported as a stud animal. As I understand, She had it tested to help promote its virtues.

Completely aside an acquaintance from non farming background has some pet alpacas. He has always worked from home and has some weird sidelines.
As part of his business he began promoting his alpacas and made a big thing when badgers started visiting. He was not amused when I pointed out the downside
I fear, that if TB in people becomes more prevalent and spread by Badger contamination of sports fields, common areas etc, rather than controlling Badgers the response will be to keep people out of the countryside, stop children playing outside on grass etc.
 

Ffermer Bach

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You mean people will have to test for tb before being allowed into a park and things like that?
no, I mean, if we have a rise in TB in children caught from playing on playing fields with badger contamination (or caught from pets, who have caught it from Badgers), rather than controlling badgers, we will probably stop allowing children to play outside on grass or "lock them down". Would not surprise me at all!
 

Exfarmer

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no, I mean, if we have a rise in TB in children caught from playing on playing fields with badger contamination (or caught from pets, who have caught it from Badgers), rather than controlling badgers, we will probably stop allowing children to play outside on grass or "lock them down". Would not surprise me at all!
The problem though, is that it is highly unlikely , when a child or adult catches TB, that anyone will have the faintest idea where it was caught.
It is sometimes several years and certainly many months, after initial infection, that the disease will manifest itself.
TB luckily is not easy to catch, unless you live in close quarters to victims, or drink raw milk from infected animals.

I note a Gloucestershire farm is selling “raw” camels milk. At £20 pounds a litre though I doubt many will be drinking that much.
The camels milk sold in most supermarkets comes from Dubai from a 6,000 camel herd owned by Sheik Maktoum. This is sold as being “raw” but is in fact pasteuried. Most professionals in zoonoses are more more concerned about Mers than TB . Mers , for those not up with their diseases , is a covid disease which kills over 50% of sufferers and is caught from camels. It does not appear transmissible among humans though
 

Paddington

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Soggy Shropshire
At a talk about Tb in cattle, they showed trapped badgers being vaccinated. All the team were wearing facemasks, I queried this and was told it was standard veterinary practice:scratchhead: (of course the Tb status of the badger in the cage was unknown). Someone in the audience asked as there was a high population of badgers in our area, was it safe to take her dog for a walk in the woods ? The reply in this Defra funded talk, was "yes, madam, it's called bovine Tb so only cattle can catch it". :banghead:
 

Cowmansam

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(of course the Tb status of the badger in the cage was unknown). Someone in the audience asked as there was a high population of badgers in our area, was it safe to take her dog for a walk in the woods ? The reply in this Defra funded talk, was "yes, madam, it's called bovine Tb so only cattle can catch it".


At a talk about Tb in cattle, they showed trapped badgers being vaccinated. All the team were wearing facemasks, I queried this and was told it was standard veterinary practice:scratchhead: (of course the Tb status of the badger in the cage was unknown). Someone in the audience asked as there was a high population of badgers in our area, was it safe to take her dog for a walk in the woods ? The reply in this Defra funded talk, was "yes, madam, it's called bovine Tb so only cattle can catch it".
on the cull you double glove double bag wear a medical grade face mask with one way valves then disinfect yourself and the whole area they are treated as biohazards
 

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