Getting concerned

[Bossfarmer]

Had a walk around the bit of wheat we managed to drill mid October, most of its there, slugs have had a patch in one field even with 2 doses of pellets. Can't see is getting back on the land for a while now though[emoji25]View attachment 846171View attachment 846172View attachment 846173

i hear a lot about slugs on here, never had an issue with them, is this because i dont grow OSR? or have temp grass in rotation?

 

[Bossfarmer]

So did we.

Since then, unfortunately, the BM in Bayleton BM, the CF in Bayleton CF, and almost everything in isoproturon has all been banned.



edit:- this is probably why land was more expensive in 1979 than it is today.

was it????????

 

[Clive]

i hear a lot about slugs on here, never had an issue with them, is this because i dont grow OSR? or have temp grass in rotation?

probably not growing OSR keeps numbers low

 

[Grim Reaper]

i hear a lot about slugs on here, never had an issue with them, is this because i dont grow OSR? or have temp grass in rotation?

It’s most likely your location.

 

[Cowcorn]

was it????????

Yes but it fell off a cliff after that and could be bought for handy money in the eighties but intrest rates were close to 20 % at one point.
But a low price stayed low once the hammer fell and the land was clapped to you. The intrest rate though high could fall over the loan period that was my fathers theory anyway !!!

 

[bankrupt]

was it????????

According to Knight, Frank the average price for bare land in England and Wales Q3 2019 was £6975/acre.

Agricultural land values in England and Wales continue to fall - PropertyWire

The average price of bare agricultural land in England and Wales has dipped slightly, down by 0.8% in the third quarter of 2019 to £6,975 per acre, the latest index report shows. This takes the total decline over the 12 month period to 1% and marks years of decline with average prices now down 9%

www.propertywire.com

Whereas the average price for bare land sold in England and Wales reported in 1980 was £1331/acre ( Inland Revenue ) - £7520 in today's money.

 

[lloyd]

According to Knight, Frank the average price for bare land in England and Wales Q3 2019 was £6975/acre.

Agricultural land values in England and Wales continue to fall - PropertyWire

The average price of bare agricultural land in England and Wales has dipped slightly, down by 0.8% in the third quarter of 2019 to £6,975 per acre, the latest index report shows. This takes the total decline over the 12 month period to 1% and marks years of decline with average prices now down 9%

www.propertywire.com

Whereas the average price for bare land sold in England and Wales in 1980 was £1331/acre ( Inland Revenue ) - £7520 in today's money.

Would it be a different picture if it was a complete farm value though
(House and buildings ).
Today I expect for complete farm would be dearer than 1980 inflation adjusted.

 

[4course]

i hear a lot about slugs on here, never had an issue with them, is this because i dont grow OSR? or have temp grass in rotation?

we stopped growing w. osr and increased the short term grass leys , not needed to use a slug pellet for the last 3 years. We used to be having to use expensive seed dressings and still be pelletting 2 or 3 times just worked out to be financially unviable on non first wheats. Most years now the only slugs we see is if the neighbour happens to have osr in the bordering fields, the grass leys im thinking tend to be too dry for them even this year

 

[glasshouse]

A

So did we.

Since then, unfortunately, the BM in Bayleton BM, the CF in Bayleton CF, and almost everything in isoproturon has all been banned.



edit:- this is probably why land was more expensive in 1979 than it is today.

And what happened in 1979?
Thatcher got in, and its been downhill ever since

 

[glasshouse]

As Brisel pointed out a while ago, price will only rise to equal cost of importing. The speculators should be keeping an eye on the Black Sea weather.

If we can import

 

[glasshouse]

According to Knight, Frank the average price for bare land in England and Wales Q3 2019 was £6975/acre.

Agricultural land values in England and Wales continue to fall - PropertyWire

The average price of bare agricultural land in England and Wales has dipped slightly, down by 0.8% in the third quarter of 2019 to £6,975 per acre, the latest index report shows. This takes the total decline over the 12 month period to 1% and marks years of decline with average prices now down 9%

www.propertywire.com

Whereas the average price for bare land sold in England and Wales reported in 1980 was £1331/acre ( Inland Revenue ) - £7520 in today's money.

13 ton of wheat bought an acre in 1980
Today its 51 tons

 

[Brisel]

If we can import

Why not? There will be mass riots in the streets if we can't import what we can't produce here.

 

[B'o'B]

Why not? There will be mass riots in the streets if we can't import what we can't produce here.

If it can be imported it will be imported, that is the simple fact. No UK government is going to put restrictions or tarrifs on Ag commodity imports to the extent that food shopping becomes more expensive. No matter what “promises“ have been made to get them elected.

 

[glasshouse]

Why not? There will be mass riots in the streets if we can't import what we can't produce here.

Have you ever heard of mother nature?
Massive weather problems all round the world.
The notion that wheat will always be freely available is nonsense.
Wheat rose to £22 /ton in 1816 (a mans annual average wage was only £5)
,After tambora erupted and caused global crop failure. Snow fell in midsummer in many places
That was the equivalent today of £50,000 / ton

 

[Brisel]

The odds of such an event are pretty low, though there are a few Kiwis who'd disagree with that right now.

 

[glasshouse]

T

The odds of such an event are pretty low, though there are a few Kiwis who'd disagree with that right now.

thousands of britons and other peoples starved to death, if tambora blew again, or krakatoa, it would be just the same

 

[B'o'B]

Have you ever heard of mother nature?
Massive weather problems all round the world.
The notion that wheat will always be freely available is nonsense.
Wheat rose to £22 /ton in 1816 (a mans annual average wage was only £5)
,After tambora erupted and caused global crop failure. Snow fell in midsummer in many places
That was the equivalent today of £50,000 / ton

Yes Mother Nature holds the all the trump card, but in the West a trump card hasn’t been played for 50years+. In your scenario you are talking world order upset and human suffering on an epic scale. I imagine that at in such a scenario the price of wheat might not seem so important as staying alive!

 

[glasshouse]

Yes Mother Nature holds the all the trump card, but in the West a trump card hasn’t been played for 50years+. In your scenario you are talking world order upset and human suffering on an epic scale. I imagine that at in such a scenario the price of wheat might not seem so important as staying alive!

If all the climate changers are right, it could be closer than we think!!

 

[B'o'B]

If all thr climate changers are right, it could be closer than we think!!

It would seem that society is somewhat vulnerable at present to a few things in some ways. It’s a balance as in other ways humans are possibly better placed than ever before. But as the saying goes, “pride comes before a fall,”

 

[Hindsight]

T

thousands of britons and other peoples starved to death, if tambora blew again, or krakatoa, it would be just the same

The reality though would be who could supply the US$ to secure the grain. As ever money talks. On this subject I was reading today about the 1690's when European climate cooled following some severe volcanic eruptions which had particular serious effect in Scotland, helping propel the Darien project which in effect bankrupted Scotland and forced the accession to join England in the Act of Union. Thought it most appropriate topic as we face tomorrows election. Hey ho.