Global Wheat Shortage due to Ukraine War

[Courier]

Where does the fake food industry come into all this, can cheap food (food replacement) still be produced in factories, or does the high cost of electricity and presumably the ingredients (if grain based) will be more expensive too. These are dangerous times in my opinion, the last thing we need is a population that can’t afford what we produce, more so than ever with the current input costs.

When Takeaway Food outlets and Netflix etc stop being patronised then producers of “unaffordable” food ingredients need to worry…

 

[Barleymow]

but i demand it all year around

Popeye had i

t in tins

 

[Clive]

Where does the fake food industry come into all this, can cheap food (food replacement) still be produced in factories, or does the high cost of electricity and presumably the ingredients (if grain based) will be more expensive too. These are dangerous times in my opinion, the last thing we need is a population that can’t afford what we produce, more so than ever with the current input costs.

depends what we call "fake". I guess - i read a really interesting article about Huel last week - costs about £1.80 / meal so cheap, zero food waste, vegan ingredients, perfect nutrition, no cooking skills required, fast, convenient ........ I tried it and it even tastes pretty good

can we compete really compete on any level other than being more interesting ?

 

[farmerm]

no they are syphoning it out of Russian tanks

but most russian tank tanks are empty

 

[Boysground]

depends what we call "fake". I guess - i read a really interesting article about Huel last week - costs about £1.80 / meal so cheap, zero food waste, vegan ingredients, perfect nutrition, no cooking skills required, fast, convenient ........ I tried it and it even tastes pretty good

can we compete really compete on any level other than being more interesting ?

What is Huel?

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[Clive]

What is Huel?

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Huel | Complete Food

Huel is nutritionally complete food, providing you with all 26 essential vitamins and minerals, protein, essential fats, carbs, fibre and phytonutrients.

uk.huel.com

interesting company - about to float with a 1 billion valuation

the protein is from peas mostly, I think we are going to see a lot ore of similar product / companies in the future

 

[Bossfarmer]

Huel | Complete Food

Huel is nutritionally complete food, providing you with all 26 essential vitamins and minerals, protein, essential fats, carbs, fibre and phytonutrients.

uk.huel.com

interesting company - about to float with a 1 billion valuation

the protein is from peas mostly, I think we are going to see a lot ore of similar product / companies in the future

you going to buy shares in it?

 

[farmerm]

What is Huel?

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Is it like Oliver Twists greul but with added pea for protein?

 

[Dave6170]

Sounds like something for feeding an animal "complete food"
Looks and sounds crap, not for me

 

[yin ewe]

depends what we call "fake". I guess - i read a really interesting article about Huel last week - costs about £1.80 / meal so cheap, zero food waste, vegan ingredients, perfect nutrition, no cooking skills required, fast, convenient ........ I tried it and it even tastes pretty good

can we compete really compete on any level other than being more interesting ?

Meals are generally cheap if they are prepared from scratch. I bought 20kg of potatoes for £10 from a neighbour grower. It will feed our family of 5 an evening meal for a month which works out about 7p a meal (meat/other veg will be included).
The problem is most people are either too lazy or wouldn't know how to boil a spud or make chips from them and would rather buy everything ready made.

 

[robs1]

A govt which fails to provide the essentials at affordable prices wont be in govt long

But food is very affordable but people spend on other things, they have got too used to cheap food, they are happy to spend 40 quid a month on a phone 100 on sky 10 quid plus a day on fags etc

 

[PostHarvest]

In November 2021, the US Department of Agriculture made this prediction
"The US Department of Agriculture in its November World Agricultural Supply and Demand Estimates report issued Nov. 9 forecast the carryover of wheat on June 1, 2022, at 583 million bushels (15,866,536 tons), up 3 million (81,645 tons) from the October projection but down 262 million bushels, (7,130,415 tons) or 31%, from 845 million bushels (22,996,951 tons) in 2021. Even with the upward adjustment from October, the 2022 carryover was forecast to be the smallest since 306 million bushels (8,327,890 tons) in 2008 and compared with 1,047 million bushels (28,494,448 tons)as the recent five-year average carryout".
The projection was for about16 million tons of wheat to be left from the 2021 harvest at the start of the 2022 harvest. But Ukraine produced 31 million tons in 2021 some of which won't be able to be exported and will most likely produce very much less in 2022, so I would say that we (as a world) need every grain we can produce.

 

[Dave6170]

Meals are generally cheap if they are prepared from scratch. I bought 20kg of potatoes for £10 from a neighbour grower. It will feed our family of 5 an evening meal for a month which works out about 7p a meal (meat/other veg will be included).
The problem is most people are either too lazy or wouldn't know how to boil a spud or make chips from them and would rather buy everything ready made.

Can get a big pack of chicken thighs for a few pounds. Does 2 nights dinner here. Or a bit of beef or lamb can do for 2 meals. Some tatties and veg. Its not expensive.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

At the moment, it's still more to do with the easiness of food rather than the price.

Ready meals and takeaways are big business.

 

[som farmer]

but i demand it all year around

tough

 

[Clive]

Meals are generally cheap if they are prepared from scratch. I bought 20kg of potatoes for £10 from a neighbour grower. It will feed our family of 5 an evening meal for a month which works out about 7p a meal (meat/other veg will be included).
The problem is most people are either too lazy or wouldn't know how to boil a spud or make chips from them and would rather buy everything ready made.

i agree, but not 1.80/ meal cheap usually or without waste, skill and time requirements

 

[Clive]

you going to buy shares in it?

not floated yet but It certainly looks like a good bet to me, given many of the issues food faces this kind of thing is surely only going to grow in popularity

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Meals are generally cheap if they are prepared from scratch. I bought 20kg of potatoes for £10 from a neighbour grower. It will feed our family of 5 an evening meal for a month which works out about 7p a meal (meat/other veg will be included).
The problem is most people are either too lazy or wouldn't know how to boil a spud or make chips from them and would rather buy everything ready made.

I learned to cook by watching my mother/grandmother in the kitchen and the fact that it was just normal to cook everything from scratch, if you weren't brought up with that happening the idea of cooking roast beef and Yorkshire puddings, roast potatoes from just ingredients could be frightening. Pancake batter is hardly difficult, but just before lent I saw not only ready made pancakes in Lidl, but pre made pancake batter (so people can feel that have cooked, without doing the hard stuff on using a whisk, scales and cracking an egg!). We need to find a way of reconnecting the majority with a food culture in the UK. I have no faith in school cookery teaching, I don't think my children learned anything in them at school. Money needs to be poured into support pre school for mothers with young children, problem is, it is very expensive and not a quick fix either.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Can get a big pack of chicken thighs for a few pounds. Does 2 nights dinner here. Or a bit of beef or lamb can do for 2 meals. Some tatties and veg. Its not expensive.

kilo of Chicken drumsticks, £1.65 and in a casserole it formed the basis of 7 meals, but it did need a slow cooker, a handful of ingredients and inclination to cook it too.

 

[D14]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1507776806090584065

Turns out it's all rubbish and there won't be a shortage at all. Thoughts?

It won't be this year because most farmers are applying normal levels of fertiliser because they bought it early and cheap. The problem will occur for harvest 23 when ukraine is still a mess and many european farmers won't plant winter crops and shift to fallow, green schemes or spring crops. Yields will halve so the good old doctor needs to look past the end of her nose really. We won't be planting any winter crops if fert is over £500/t and fuel is over 80p/l. I'm not going to subsidise food production.