Global Wheat Shortage due to Ukraine War

[Clive]

Have you had a chat with your farm staff Clive? For the opinion of the average 'man' ? Or the drivers of those Weetman trucks in your picture a few days ago. It's quite easy to stumble across the average man on 'the Clapham omnibus'. Cheers.

no one i employee is “average”

anyone living / working in the rural economy is pretty detached from the lifestyle and needs of the rest of society these days i think

 

[Clive]

It does depend on the system of production though.

Pigs and poultry are mostly dependant on grains (including soya) whereas grazing ruminants are not. So there's a broad spectrum of production systems: some nearly all grain and some hardly any.

Also it's easier to improve soil health with grazing ruminants even in an arable rotation which helps keep the growing of crops more sustainable.

100%

 

[Clive]

As I should have said. Plants don't give the full spectrum of minerals, vitamins and fats.

All you've done is listed the fact it's processed junk food.

Livestock meat doesn't need processed junk added to it for people to stay alive whilst eating it.

im not one to argue with science personally

my point re Huel is simply that despite undoubtedly expensive branding for £1.50/day (£31/week) a human being can get the kcal and nutrition they apparently need, 100% waste free

so is there a food crisis ? do people have to know how to cook or make time to ? do we really need food banks etc ?

I’m not advocating a vegan or liquid diet, im simply pointing out it is both possible

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

im not one to argue with science personally

my re Huel is simply that despite undoubtedly expensive branding for £1.50/day (£31/week) a human being can get the kcal and nutrition they apparently need, 100% waste free

so is there a food crisis ? do we really need food ? do people have to know how to cook or make time to ? do we really banks etc ?

I’m not advocating a vegan or liquid diet, im simply pointing out it is both possible

How much do you get for your £1.50 in weight?

£1.50kilo is already £1500 per tonne. So if your base ingredients are £500, there's £1000 left for processing and profit. And I suspect that it's actually more expensive.

 

[Hindsight]

no one i employee is “average”

anyone living / working in the rural economy is pretty detached from the lifestyle and needs of the rest of society these days i think

Your role Clive really is in Westminster. A perfect politicians reply. Totally avoiding an answer or opinion.

As for the 'rural economy' in the village where I live this we have the 5000 acre farm owned and operated by a IHT landowner employing four or five folk, a 200 part time family farm with a small flock of sheep, a 20 head suckler herd and using 1980s tractors; would make a good film set, and a farm that has liveries, takes in waste products etc. Everyone else in the 800 strong community has no involvement with Agriculture, apart from me as a hanger on. I do wonder where these rural economies are that you mention - re you telling me Staffordshire is truly as the Archers depicts.

 

[Clive]

Your role Clive really is in Westminster. A perfect politicians reply. Totally avoiding an answer or opinion.

As for the 'rural economy' in the village where I live this we have the 5000 acre farm owned and operated by a IHT landowner employing four or five folk, a 200 part time family farm with a small flock of sheep, a 20 head suckler herd and using 1980s tractors; would make a good film set, and a farm that has liveries, takes in waste products etc. Everyone else in the 800 strong community has no involvement with Agriculture, apart from me as a hanger on. I do wonder where these rural economies are that you mention - re you telling me Staffordshire is truly as the Archers depicts.

its rare i get accused of not having an opinion !

 

[Clive]

How much do you get for your £1.50 in weight?

£1.50kilo is already £1500 per tonne. So if your base ingredients are £500, there's £1000 left for processing and profit. And I suspect that it's actually more expensive.

£.1.50 per meal which is apparently 400 Kcal of perfectly balanced macro and micri nutrition vitamins and minerals etc


i don’t doubt that they are making a lot of money and it’s a high margin product ……… hence a 1 billion IPO valuation

well done to them - wish i had come up with it !

 

[Hindsight]

its rare i get accused of not having an opinion !

 

[Post Driver]

The food and health podcasts I have listened to all say the same thing. Your diet should be made up of as big a variety of plants (fruit, veg, legumes, nuts, seeds etc) as possible, meat isn't bad but maybe shouldn't be the largest part of your meal. And the key thing is you should be able to point out what each constituent part of your meal is!

Eating a heavily processed gloop isn't good for you even if it contains all the vitamins and minerals, there is something about plants and meat in their most natural state that is most beneficial for us

 

[Bossfarmer]

true, if there is any mass change in diet in the future all farmers will be effected, people still need the same Kcal every day however so we will be producing that one way or another

In my case maybe legumes like peas become more profitable / viable than wheat at some point ?

in my opinion huge problems await the vegan generation in old age...if they get there, while its true too much meat can cause problems of its own a balanced diet including meat is essential, look at the amount of people living well into their 90s now, most of them grew up in a generation of proper meals and not all this processed junk, vegans excluding meat from their kids diets is criminal in my opinion

 

[Steevo]

I saw prices equivalent to £1250/ t fir AN yesterday on Twitter ! £230 harvest wheat is FAR too cheap at that level of input and risk

Shows how broken the market currently is.

 

[Bossfarmer]

no VERY specific, basic physics in fact, when you convert one energy source to another you always incur losses

here is a link fir you, it uses much less efficient numbers than I posted in fact

Feed required to produce one kilogram of meat or dairy product

Quantity of animal feed required to produce one kilogram of meat, egg or milk product. This is measured as dry matter feed in kilograms per kilogram of edible weight output.

ourworldindata.org

i would argue 1kg of red meat will feed someone better than 1kg of wheat? you cant compare the 2, also do you know if these figures are real or vegan marketing ploys?

 

[som farmer]

is it ? I did clearly say livestock fed on none crop producing land was different and it’s true than most meat isn’t pasture fed ?

meat is expensiv, not everyone can afford it as their protein source

wasn't man that 'invented' fire, and subsequent cooked meat/protein, that allowed our brains to develop, leading to evolving to what we are today, specially meat protein.
So where does that leave vegetarians, and vegans, the latter seem to quickly devolve backwards.

 

[Bossfarmer]

Someone doesn't like beef or lamb.
Poultry has a good conversion figure but every gram of food has to be processed and transported. Water all treated.
A steer will put on 1.2kg daily at grass and only drink rainwater, in effect, from streams. In winter will gain 0.6kg daily just on silage. 25kg of dry matter is a huge quantity of silage and cake. It just couldn't eat that amount in a day even in the fattening phase.
Same for lambs, 15kg dry matter for a kg of meat is huge.

the vegan that wrote this has confused DM with freshweight silage, should be nearer 12kg DM

 

[ollie989898]

How much do you get for your £1.50 in weight?

£1.50kilo is already £1500 per tonne. So if your base ingredients are £500, there's £1000 left for processing and profit. And I suspect that it's actually more expensive.

The £1.50/portion is actually just two levelled scoops of powder. It clearly states on the packaging that you cannot live on huel alone and it should replace only one meal per day. There is no way my colon would be able to cope with x3 huel portions a day. There is a, shall we say, a 'bulking effect' that happens because of all the insoluble fibre on board.

 

[ollie989898]

The food and health podcasts I have listened to all say the same thing. Your diet should be made up of as big a variety of plants (fruit, veg, legumes, nuts, seeds etc) as possible, meat isn't bad but maybe shouldn't be the largest part of your meal. And the key thing is you should be able to point out what each constituent part of your meal is!

Eating a heavily processed gloop isn't good for you even if it contains all the vitamins and minerals, there is something about plants and meat in their most natural state that is most beneficial for us

In the defence of Huel, it isn't highly processed- it's just ground up finely. As it is all from natural vegetable ingredients, I can't see how this would do you any harm.

 

[Clive]

i would argue 1kg of red meat will feed someone better than 1kg of wheat? you cant compare the 2, also do you know if these figures are real or vegan marketing ploys?

a quick google suggests 1kg of wheat flour is 3500 kcal and 1kg of beef is about 117 Kcal ......... so in energy terms it's seems the wheat is significantly better even before you multiple x 7 by losses in converting grain to beef

 

[JJT]

a quick google suggests 1kg of wheat flour is 3500 kcal and 1kg of beef is about 117 Kcal ......... so in energy terms it's seems the wheat is significantly better even before you multiple x 7 by losses in converting grain to beef

But nutrition is about so much more than just calories.

 

[Bossfarmer]

a quick google suggests 1kg of wheat flour is 3500 kcal and 1kg of beef is about 117 Kcal ......... so in energy terms it's seems the wheat is significantly better even before you multiple x 7 by losses in converting grain to beef

interesting not quite so straightforward though im sure there will be more fat/vitamins etc in the beef and i actually put most of the weight on my cattle when theyre out at grass so apart from mabye the last 100kgs that the fatner puts on im putting on 450-500ks of weight with 0 concentrate, how do you quantify that? the mixed system adds half a tonne to my cereal yields easily vs continously cropping mabye more

 

[DaveGrohl]

you will find positive and negative on just about any subject you choose online I guess

I’m not replacing my meals with this stuff …………. But following this thread I’m tempted to try doing so for a month whilst monitoring weight, body fat %and other health markers ! Not sure I could live without a good steak though !,,

Honestly, if people wanna eat this stuff then they’re welcome to do so. Doesn’t sound like it’s something you would do out of enjoyment though, so why bother? Also, why bother processing peas and oats when you can just eat the real thing unprocessed and cheaper? Better for you too. Apart from a willingness to donate to those poor processed food manufacturers.