Glyphosate again

[jack6480]

It has been proven safe over 40+ years. If glyphosate is banned on safety grounds then you can say goodbye to 100% of all pesticides, insecticides, fungicides and herbicides and anthelmintics that have ever been invented or used. This is the least toxic of them all without exception, whether at miniscule residue levels or to handle as a concentrate or readymix.

That being the case, what will you have left to use? Nothing. Suits me fine, because along with banning fertiliser because of the potential toxic effects of N, food production would fall by 70% or more. Which makes farmers very important people once more.

Let them eat cake and forage their dustbins says I.

Exactly! Ban the lot!

 

[Cowabunga]

Exactly! Ban the lot!

This is just an attempt to repair the post attribution.

 

[Shutesy]

This is just an attempt to repair the post attribution.

Post quoting fixed for all above posts.

 

[Brisel]

I agree with your points, but it's not their NHS, they just work there. They are merely raising concerns on a personal level. The politicians provide the funding for the drugs and care that are needed to ensure that the population lives longer. If the funding was removed, I am sure that the life expectancy rates would decline.

So if glyphosate is harmless would you be willing to drink a glass full? serious question do not mean to offend. We do use glyphosate, so I am not anti glyphosate, if it remains legal we will continue to use it.

Of course I'm not going to drink a glass full of neat glyphosate. Glyphosate is HAZARDOUS. All pesticides are hazardous. Hazardous = has the POTENTIAL to cause harm. Add sea salt, driving, sugar, alcohol, crossing the road, electricity to that list. What really determines the danger is RISK. Risk = the likelihood of that harm happening. In this context, that means the dose and duration of exposure. For driving a car you can manage the risk of death by being trained, licenced, have ABS & traction control and wear a seat belt. Sea salt is actually essential for health in small doses. The big doses are what kill you.

European legislation and in this case French, is now based on the hazard, not the risk. When will they all be banning every other hazard? What annoys me is that there is no consideration for the bigger picture - what is the safer alternative? No work has been done on this. We can save millions of tonnes of carbon by using non selective herbicides like glyphosate instead of lots of intensive cultivations burning fossil fuels and denigrating our soils. Banning the tools European farmers need to produce food under controlled standards just exports the production to countries with lower standards where more glyphosate is used in the production closer to the point of harvest - i.e. Roundup Ready crops grown on ex rain forest land.

 

[Brisel]

Looks like one product has been removed from sale rather than every glyphosate containing product, possibly just a garden centre spray? Could be the thin end of the wedge or something to provoke a reaction from the manufacturer.

I found this strange. There will be plenty of other formulations of glyphosate still ok for use in France. Will this case be used as a benchmark to ban all glyphosate use in France?

Is this just the greenies trying to incrementally win a war one small victory at a time?

 

[Cowabunga]

I noticed the Roundup adverts on telly last year for domestic users which featured gardeners spraying the stuff with gay abandon with zero protective clothing and even bare legs. It is hopefully into this unregulated environment that some regulation is now being applied, although again I find no real justification to do so. Roundup was recently sold from the end of the vegetable isles at a local Tesco, something that would not be tolerated at the farm level where it must be locked away in a secured enclosure with other pesticides, albeit in the concentrate rather than ready-mixed form.

I'm assuming that consumer Roundup is a ready-mixed solution, but I have not looked at the pack to be sure.

 

[Gong Farmer]

I bought a litre of 360 g/l concentrate on ebay.

 

[TheTallGuy]

I noticed the Roundup adverts on telly last year for domestic users which featured gardeners spraying the stuff with gay abandon with zero protective clothing and even bare legs. It is hopefully into this unregulated environment that some regulation is now being applied, although again I find no real justification to do so. Roundup was recently sold from the end of the vegetable isles at a local Tesco, something that would not be tolerated at the farm level where it must be locked away in a secured enclosure with other pesticides, albeit in the concentrate rather than ready-mixed form.

I'm assuming that consumer Roundup is a ready-mixed solution, but I have not looked at the pack to be sure.

Consumer roundup is pre-diluted because they know that Joe Average would mix it stronger than necessary to "make sure" - even though over-concentrated is often less effective.

 

[Exfarmer]

Consumer roundup is pre-diluted because they know that Joe Average would mix it stronger than necessary to "make sure" - even though over-concentrated is often less effective.

Roundup 360 is freely available as Roundup Super Concentrate

 

[betternextyear]

If Roundup was dangerous ,
I would be dead by now. I have been using it every year since 1975.
I didnt take protective clothing very seriously, then or now