casemx 270
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Looks like the Germans still want it banned in a political deal
Glyphosate watch out
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And what do they hope to gain at the other end of this “deal”, besides abandoning science for populist claptrap that is?
It all seems very... un-German to shun fact and peer reviewed research in favour political gobbledegook, but perhaps I’m being a bit stereotypical. It does seem to be fashionable at the moment to say any research that favours modern, science led agriculture is funded entirely by Monsanto and is therefore wrong!
It all seems very... un-German to shun fact and peer reviewed research in favour political gobbledegook, but perhaps I’m being a bit stereotypical. It does seem to be fashionable at the moment to say any research that favours modern, science led agriculture is funded entirely by Monsanto and is therefore wrong!
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ollie989898
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Makes no odds, be out in a few years.
Don't forget the Germans have always been very "green." We've benefitted from the biofuels & renewables that they pioneered with their green energy schemes. The main worry recently was that Merkel would support a ban to get the green support she badly needs to form a government. She may be pro science & see the right thing for us but pesticides are just a pawn in the chess game of politics.
I agree with the sentiment but I'd hate to see future post Brexit UK exports to the EU banned using the precautionary principle of us doing things that might undermine their own markets. I'm sure on German farming forums there has been a paralell debate about why they should protect domestic production by restricting imports of goods produced to a "lower standard" i.e. using glyphosate. We've endlessly debated hormones in beef & milk, plus chlorine washed chicken - you have to be careful what you wish for!
I agree with the sentiment but I'd hate to see future post Brexit UK exports to the EU banned using the precautionary principle of us doing things that might undermine their own markets. I'm sure on German farming forums there has been a paralell debate about why they should protect domestic production by restricting imports of goods produced to a "lower standard" i.e. using glyphosate. We've endlessly debated hormones in beef & milk, plus chlorine washed chicken - you have to be careful what you wish for!
shakerator
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Like RR will be banned you mean ?!
RR isn't on their doorstep, even if it's in their food. BSE was used as an excuse to keep British Beef out of France for years longer than necessary. RR crops are grown all over the place but mostly across the Atlantic from us. The Channel is closer in may ways, not just geographically. No one gave a toss as to how the Chinese used our plastic waste but if we were burning it & generating acid rain for continental Europe they'd soon be more vocal. I hope that's not total gibberish!
Breakthru
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The very GREEN Germans quietly opened the biggest dirtiest (high sulphur coal burning) power station in W Europe due to the anti nuclear excitement.
The engineers were complaining about high energy prices, they have the same clout over there our bankers have here, so lo and behold at least one bloody great smoke spewing behemoth. Hypocrites r them!
shakerator
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I agree with your analogies but both are not very good ones in this case imho
The fact is feed grains of RR soy and maize keep the system functioning and it's plain silly to pretend otherwise
david
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Got to give it to the Germans - they know how to mine a few tons of coal (Hambach open cast mine)
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France is also planning on banning the use of Glyphosate within three years as well, Macron is keen to see the ban across the EU to keep a level playing field. It may well be a preemptive way of stopping imports that don't conform, not with the UK in mind but more likely north and south America, who knows.
How will it stop imports?,under wto rules you are not allowed to restrict imports just because you don't like the way they are grown.Thats why they cannot stop gmo imports into the eu and glyphosate treated crops will just be the sameFrance is also planning on banning the use of Glyphosate within three years as well, Macron is keen to see the ban across the EU to keep a level playing field. It may well be a preemptive way of stopping imports that don't conform, not with the UK in mind but more likely north and south America, who knows.
ollie989898
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The French already have banned several AIs that are used throughout Europe with impunity and dozens of different actives are used in North America and Brazil with no restriction on the grain subsequently imported into the EU.
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At least the unions are trying to educate the MPs
Dawn: farmers defend glyphosate from parliamentarians
01/19/18
Farmers and winemakers defended, on Thursday, a moderate use of controversial glyphosate before a parliamentary delegation traveling in the Aube, as part of an information mission set up following debates on the health and environmental impact of phytosanitary products .
"For two years, we have seen an improvement in the fertility of our soils but also huge savings in fuel and pesticides, except the glyphosate that allows us to clean the plot" before sowing, announced Eddy Bollert deputies present under the shed of his farm in Charmoy (Aube).
"If we withdraw it, we return to plowing and we lose all our profits," assured this adept practitioner of conservation agriculture, a set of more environmentally friendly farming techniques that stimulate the agronomic riches of the soil, a worried face to the desire of Emmanuel Macron to ban in France, in three years, the product invented by the American Monsanto.
In the Champagne vineyards of Montgueux, near Troyes, Denis Velut and his son Benoît have also eliminated the most toxic synthetic products and all herbicides ... except glyphosate, used in their plots to weed under the vines. Without this, "we will pass the mechanical weeder more often and we will use more fuel ", calculated Denis Velut, at the head of 7,
"There is a diversity of issues and solutions depending on the sector , " said LREM MP Elisabeth Toutut-Picard, president of the information mission gathering 22 parliamentarians, recognizing "the goodwill" of farmers who "do not use the phytosanitary products for pleasure ".
In the eyes of Dawn MP Gerard Menuel (LR), co-rapporteur of the mission, "we must not rush to a false good solution" by banning "glyphosate" but think upstream to "alternatives" in relying on "research" . "We must put human and financial resources to support the winemakers: we also need independent professionals who are not there to sell us products," adds the winemaker Benoît Velut.
Set up on October 26, 2017, the fact-finding mission combines hearings with the National Assembly and field trips until spring. It must lead to a "practical-practical" report with "pragmatic and feasible proposals" , according to its president
Dawn: farmers defend glyphosate from parliamentarians
01/19/18
Farmers and winemakers defended, on Thursday, a moderate use of controversial glyphosate before a parliamentary delegation traveling in the Aube, as part of an information mission set up following debates on the health and environmental impact of phytosanitary products .
"For two years, we have seen an improvement in the fertility of our soils but also huge savings in fuel and pesticides, except the glyphosate that allows us to clean the plot" before sowing, announced Eddy Bollert deputies present under the shed of his farm in Charmoy (Aube).
"If we withdraw it, we return to plowing and we lose all our profits," assured this adept practitioner of conservation agriculture, a set of more environmentally friendly farming techniques that stimulate the agronomic riches of the soil, a worried face to the desire of Emmanuel Macron to ban in France, in three years, the product invented by the American Monsanto.
In the Champagne vineyards of Montgueux, near Troyes, Denis Velut and his son Benoît have also eliminated the most toxic synthetic products and all herbicides ... except glyphosate, used in their plots to weed under the vines. Without this, "we will pass the mechanical weeder more often and we will use more fuel ", calculated Denis Velut, at the head of 7,
"There is a diversity of issues and solutions depending on the sector , " said LREM MP Elisabeth Toutut-Picard, president of the information mission gathering 22 parliamentarians, recognizing "the goodwill" of farmers who "do not use the phytosanitary products for pleasure ".
In the eyes of Dawn MP Gerard Menuel (LR), co-rapporteur of the mission, "we must not rush to a false good solution" by banning "glyphosate" but think upstream to "alternatives" in relying on "research" . "We must put human and financial resources to support the winemakers: we also need independent professionals who are not there to sell us products," adds the winemaker Benoît Velut.
Set up on October 26, 2017, the fact-finding mission combines hearings with the National Assembly and field trips until spring. It must lead to a "practical-practical" report with "pragmatic and feasible proposals" , according to its president
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If it's a health risk (cancer) to your population, you can restrict it. Chlorinated chicken, steroidal beef anyone. I am not saying that's definitely what it's about, but Macron knows he can't ban it's use in France and let other countries import produce with glyphosate residue in it.
But it's not a health risk under wto rules so you cannot restrict its import
It's not up to Macron what other countries do, however imperial the French think they are within EU. Individual member states can ban what they like. What I'm interested in is how Macron intends to juggle keeping the farmers and greens content by manipulating French laws to prevent certain active ingredients being used whilst keeping the playing field as level as feasible?
Are Macron's claims as genuine as Boris Johnson's of building a Channel Bridge or are they just platitudes to win votes?
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Who knows, if he carries it out it will be a pia for French farmers but he is clever and a listener. However, I doubt it will be of any consequence to UK produces as their exports are small.
We can soon ramp up production to fill your shortage
yellow belly
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If rr feed is. Banned the Europeans will need to import a lot more food we can fill that market with proven roundup free produce
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Since the EU annually exports 20+ million tonnes of cereals I don't think even banning the use of Glyphosate will remove that to any great extent.