Glyphosate - we have 5 years

[wasted years]

Well years ago it wasn't used .
Still isn't if you grow seed.
Since the advent of fancy fungicides to keep the crops greener for longer and later varieties has glyphosate then been used to ripen it.

Ha, years ago it wasn't used but 'they' invented it because it was needed.
What are we going to do with twitch, harrow the land to death and burn it in big heaps?
Twitch will come back in our land no matter what the crop and takes over eventually.

 

[fudge]

I don't understand the talk of whether you should use it as a desiccant or not. Either it is harmful to human health or it isn't. If this stuff was a known and serious carcinogen, it would be banned, whether you only used it on grass leys between 1st August and 30th August, or not.

These green pressure groups simply want the active banned. They know it is widely used, and it a very useful tool in the box. What better way to hit into the heart of intensive farming in Europe than getting their key actives banned.

It is not just green pressure groups. Other consumers become concerned when any pesticide turns up in their urine. You are entitled to your view but I doubt it is shared by many consumers. It is prudent for farmers to minimize pesticide use from a marketing point view.

 

[shakerator]

Ha, years ago it wasn't used but 'they' invented it because it was needed.
What are we going to do with twitch, harrow the land to death and burn it in big heaps?
Twitch will come back in our land no matter what the crop and takes over eventually.

We are forgetting people....it has been reapproved and not banned !

 

[ollie989898]

It is not just green pressure groups. Other consumers become concerned when any pesticide turns up in their urine. You are entitled to your view but I doubt it is shared by many consumers. It is prudent for farmers to minimize pesticide use from a marketing point view.

May I ask, would these be the same consumers who are blathering the stuff about in their gardens and also covering themselves in cosmetics or taking non-prescription drugs which have known and identified health effects?

 

[fudge]

May I ask, would these be the same consumers who are blathering the stuff about in their gardens and also covering themselves in cosmetics or taking non-prescription drugs which have known and identified health effects?

Annoying aren’t they?

 

[bobk]

May I ask, would these be the same consumers who are blathering the stuff about in their gardens and also covering themselves in cosmetics or taking non-prescription drugs which have known and identified health effects?

Exactly , next year Viagra will be available over the counter ..... everyone walking around with a massive .... neck .

 

[franklin]

I wonder if the water companies can get the viagra residue out of the drinking water?

Us farmers missed a trick by not buying piles of shares in the water companies when privatised - if we owned a good chunk of Anglian Water etc we could stop all this bollocx very easily.

 

[Dave6170]

I don't understand the talk of whether you should use it as a desiccant or not. Either it is harmful to human health or it isn't. If this stuff was a known and serious carcinogen, it would be banned, whether you only used it on grass leys between 1st August and 30th August, or not.

These green pressure groups simply want the active banned. They know it is widely used, and it a very useful tool in the box. What better way to hit into the heart of intensive farming in Europe than getting their key actives banned.

Its monsanto the green hippies are after. Feck all to do with it being in the foodchain

 

[charlie86]

One comment I'd like to raise for debate, (& I do not have leanings either way), is regarding grains such as Malting Barley for export.
Many export homes (our customers) are demanding no Glyphosate sprays pre harvest.
These customers have already said that they will source Glyphosate free grain, from Companies/farms that can categorically assure them that it is free of any Glyphosate!
Is it not in all our interest to try to comply with our Customers needs??? This is solely a topic for discussion!!!

 

[turbo]

It is not just green pressure groups. Other consumers become concerned when any pesticide turns up in their urine. You are entitled to your view but I doubt it is shared by many consumers. It is prudent for farmers to minimize pesticide use from a marketing point view.

If they are that concerned they can buy organic but they don't

 

[Brisel]

One comment I'd like to raise for debate, (& I do not have leanings either way), is regarding grains such as Malting Barley for export.
Many export homes (our customers) are demanding no Glyphosate sprays pre harvest.
These customers have already said that they will source Glyphosate free grain, from Companies/farms that can categorically assure them that it is free of any Glyphosate!
Is it not in all our interest to try to comply with our Customers needs??? This is solely a topic for discussion!!!

Cefetra's sister maltster company in Europe asked for glyphosate-free (pre harvest) malting barley at a farmer meeting. Not one farmer said they wouldn't want to offer that for a small premium.

 

[charlie86]

If they are that concerned they can buy organic but they don't

The homes for our products i.e. The Supermarkets, Millers, Maltsters etc, all bow and bend to meet the changing demands of their customers, - the general public.
As such, farmers and growers must also try to adapt and meet the ever changing demands of their customers (Supermarkets, millers & maltsters). If we do not adapt and supply what the customer wants, then they will go and get their goods from someone that will supply what they want.
As mentioned in an earlier thread, foreign maltsters whom the U.K. have previously supplied are insisting on No pre harvest Glyphosate. If we as UK cannot guarantee this, they will find suppliers that can meet their demands. Unfortunately, we as Producers must supply what the market/customer demands...

 

[Badshot]

I wonder if the water companies can get the viagra residue out of the drinking water?

Us farmers missed a trick by not buying piles of shares in the water companies when privatised - if we owned a good chunk of Anglian Water etc we could stop all this bollocx very easily.

The directives come from Europe, not our water companies.
Ipu ironically was very easy to remove from water. They weren't particularly bothered by it.

 

[ollie989898]

The directives come from Europe, not our water companies.
Ipu ironically was very easy to remove from water. They weren't particularly bothered by it.

Exactly right, water framework nonsense.

 

[Iben]

Cefetra's sister maltster company in Europe asked for glyphosate-free (pre harvest) malting barley at a farmer meeting. Not one farmer said they wouldn't want to offer that for a small premium.

Can't see them offering a premium for that. More likely apply a discount if you do use glyphosate.

Any idea how quickly they can test for glyphosate on the grain? Doubtful it could be done on intake, then who covers the cost of that test?

 

[Brisel]

Can't see them offering a premium for that. More likely apply a discount if you do use glyphosate.

Any idea how quickly they can test for glyphosate on the grain? Doubtful it could be done on intake, then who covers the cost of that test?

Down South pre harvest desiccation is less common in barley anyway, so it wasn't an issue for us. A buyer wanted the assurance of no pre harvest doses so we offered to supply it - if they won't pay up an extra pound or two for it they can buy off the open market as usual. I don't think there's a quick test for it anyway. We'll see if anything comes back on it but the offer is there - I appreciate that it may discriminate against Scottish malt but if that's what the customer wants...

If they wanted no pre drilling glyphosate too I wouldn't be interested as I can't kill all the weeds without extra spring cultivations which I don't want for my strip till drilling system.

 

[texelburger]

It is not just green pressure groups. Other consumers become concerned when any pesticide turns up in their urine. You are entitled to your view but I doubt it is shared by many consumers. It is prudent for farmers to minimize pesticide use from a marketing point view.

I think consumers are concerned as they have been fed all the misinformation and fake news by the green lobby.The media just loves to print it.If they had read or listened to a balanced debate ,they may well have come to a different conclusion. One tends to believe what they read.Agree,however,your point regarding minimal use from a marketing point of view.

 

[charlie86]

Can't see them offering a premium for that. More likely apply a discount if you do use glyphosate.

Any idea how quickly they can test for glyphosate on the grain? Doubtful it could be done on intake, then who covers the cost of that test?

Every load from every farm has a sample taken and kept on intake ay the docks (if going for export). If there is a problem at its final destination, and there is an issue with glyphosate, (on a shipment of non Glyphosate Malting barley), then tests would be done on all individual samples taken from the lorries, to find out who was responsible!.... This could be very expensive for those held responsible!

 

[yellow belly]

I would not use it on growing crops if the market asks for non use

the main causes of late maturity that the farmer has control over is variety and tiller population


I now plant early wheat and osr varieties as well as a higher seed rate to get an early harvest start
a higher seed rate in spring barley also reduces later green tillers

 

[bosses son]

Sorry folks, but I think its high time farmers became more responsible. Glysophate should not be being used for ripening crops, only use it for weed control. Far too much sprays of all sorts being put on for very little benifit. We are our own worst enemies.