Good news for CTL and Epoxi

[Clive]

Looks like an extension has been granted for both

I'm told Epoxi is very short in the market however as it was predicted to loose registration so most distributors have run stock down and manufactures produced less, the lead time to manufacture more could be as long as 12 months

 

[Gong Farmer]

Latest doc on CRD site for CTL says it can be sold up to April 2021 and used up to April 2022. That's about two years' extra life compared to most people's worst case scenario.

 

[Gong Farmer]

Looks like I was over optimistic re CTL. The extra approval was likely to make sure it could be used whilst decisions were made. That decision is still due later this month, and it doesn't look good. Nice article in CPM but not sure I agree with the last sentence.

http://www.cpm-magazine.co.uk/2019/03/01/disease-control-trouble-ctl/?utm_source=Crop+Production+Magazine+(confirmed)&utm_campaign=ef6e601eec-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_03_03_08_34&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_5cb6fbd212-ef6e601eec-209079033

 

[shakerator]

post patent Ag Chem is not the business to be in

You could ban anything under the EU hazard powers but the most dangerous active ingredient for us is money...

I love the fact we don’t even mention Brexit in this in the vain hope it will change this trend!

 

[fudge]

post patent Ag Chem is not the business to be in

You could ban anything under the EU hazard powers but the most dangerous active ingredient for us is money...

I love the fact we don’t even mention Brexit in this in the vain hope it will change this trend!

You would have to be pretty gullible to think Brexit would change any of these regulations.

 

[shakerator]

You would have to be pretty gullible to think Brexit would change any of these regulations.

Well it’s gonna change gm and seed intellectual property law that’s for sure

 

[fudge]

If the consumer wants GM they should be able to get them from the US post Brexit that’s true.

 

[ollie989898]

You do have to wonder sometimes do some of these chemicals meet a premature end because chemical manufacturers happen to have a new product waiting in the wings that has no business case until Epoxi etc bites the dust???

The EU is heavily lobbied.

 

[SilliamWhale]

You do wonder why Epoxi and not Prothioconazole don't you?

 

[Brisel]

You do wonder why Epoxi and not Prothioconazole don't you?

Because prothio isn't due for renewal yet. Look a little deeper before getting too paranoid.

 

[CORK]

Slightly off topic

People often get drawn into negativity that all the chems are being taken off the market and we’ll be left with nothing.

I’m a firm believer that necessity is the mother of invention. If there’s a requirement then something will be found to fill the gap.

I have no doubt that there are jars of new active ingredients on laboratory shelves with years that would do the same thing as glyphosate but could never compete economically with cheap off patent glyphpo.
Granted, new products come at a cost (that’s business) but they too come off patent in due course.

 

[fudge]

Slightly off topic

People often get drawn into negativity that all the chems are being taken off the market and we’ll be left with nothing.

I’m a firm believer that necessity is the mother of invention. If there’s a requirement then something will be found to fill the gap.

I have no doubt that there are jars of new active ingredients on laboratory shelves with years that would do the same thing as glyphosate but could never compete economically with cheap off patent glyphpo.
Granted, new products come at a cost (that’s business) but they too come off patent in due course.

The need for chemicals could be reduced (not eliminated ) through plant breeding, but our industry consistently doesn’t follow this root because of the trade off between yield and desease resistance. Doesn’t help that the seed breeders are the same companies as the pesticide manufacturers imo, or is that just a conspiracy theory?

 

[CORK]

The need for chemicals could be reduced (not eliminated ) through plant breeding, but our industry consistently doesn’t follow this root because of the trade off between yield and desease resistance. Doesn’t help that the seed breeders are the same companies as the pesticide manufacturers imo, or is that just a conspiracy theory?

Yes, when choosing varieties - for the most part yield is still king, we get paid for tonnes. Other factors which reduce risk (& cost) must be considered of course.
Every Recommended list you see has yield as the top row of information.

I deal with almost every cereal breeder in Europe, only a small number are actually owned by chemical companies. Most are completely independent.

 

[Brisel]

Look at the disease control programmes for Recommended List trials. A YEN grower would weep at the expense!

 

[B'o'B]

Look at the disease control programmes for Recommended List trials. A YEN grower would weep at the expense!

This is the issue, the recommended list is designed around a ridiculously high input system. There was a reason for the way the list protocol developed, but it seems to me that Mother Nature and chemical regulations are making the current methods of compiling the recommended list a bit of a dead end. The recommended list really needs to be ahead of the game, but I fear the loss of CTL and Epoxi and SDHI resistance will occur well before the powers that be change how the list is compiled in any meaningful way.
Breeders select varieties to try and get on the recommended list, because that’s what sells big volumes of seed and earns them money.
There must be a lot of vested interest in keeping the list protocol as it is, but it does really need to have a radical overhaul to make it relevant for the future.

 

[Gong Farmer]

I think Brisel has made the point before that the RL produces 'junkie' varieties: the breeders produce these because they know what will perform in RL trials and therefore generate sales.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I think Brisel has made the point before that the RL produces 'junkie' varieties: the breeders produce these because they know what will perform in RL trials and therefore generate sales.

Ok but why is it that we don't just scan the untreated bit of the list and extrapolate from there?

 

[Rob Holmes]

Anyone remember Warrior and Stig which were meant to be a 'farmers wheat' that had very high resistance scores

.....lasted 2 seasons max

 

[Gong Farmer]

Ok but why is it that we don't just scan the untreated bit of the list and extrapolate from there?

Indeed, you can extract a lot of your own preferred data from the RL but the headlines always refer to the 'most tonnes'

 

[SilliamWhale]

Indeed, you can extract a lot of your own preferred data from the RL but the headlines always refer to the 'most tonnes'

The other issue is that the untreated yields in the RL often seem pretty good and not sure it translates to field