GOOD NEWS FOR SCOTTISH FARMERS!

[czechmate]

Fullest possible 'ACCESS'

Access is different from membership, membership of the single market = soft brexit

ACCESS only, means hard brexit, when will you learn, it's all very simple.

So you slate TM while praising Davidson for practically saying the same thing, nor do i care what she said last month, TM 8 months ago said she wanted to remain in the SM

What they're both pretty much calling for, is a deal like Canada + services, some might call that cutting all ties, i couldn't care less frankly.

Yes brexit has that effect

 

[its yourself]

Fullest possible 'ACCESS'

Access is different from membership, membership of the single market = soft brexit

ACCESS only, means hard brexit, when will you learn, it's all very simple.

So you slate TM while praising Davidson for practically saying the same thing, nor do i care what she said last month, TM 8 months ago said she wanted to remain in the SM[emoji23]
What they're both pretty much calling for, is a deal like Canada + services, some might call that cutting all ties, i couldn't care less frankly.

A prime example of the truthiness of brexiters above.

No matter that she campaigned for free movement. Said she wanted to keep it post ref. Said she wanted to keep passporting too.

You'll claim the exact opposite.

Just like the Trumpers denial of his actual words tapes actions and u turns.

 

[DrDunc]

Fullest possible 'ACCESS'

Access is different from membership, membership of the single market = soft brexit

ACCESS only, means hard brexit, when will you learn, it's all very simple.

So you slate TM while praising Davidson for practically saying the same thing, nor do i care what she said last month, TM 8 months ago said she wanted to remain in the SM

What they're both pretty much calling for, is a deal like Canada + services, some might call that cutting all ties, i couldn't care less frankly.

So access only means hard Brexit?

The Scottish conservatives and unionist party, Scottish labour party, Scottish green party, and the Scottish nationalist party all are campaigning for access to the single market.

This is at odds with the Westminster position of hard Brexit.

So according to you, Westminster (Theresa May) who has decided the Brexit vote means "hard" exit, does not want access to the European single market?

Please explain what you think is so simple, because you are contradicting yourself.




What country in the history of this planet has willingly cut itself off from its biggest market?????





I say again, Scottish politics and policy is different from Westminster (hence a Scottish desire to support the agricultural and food industry that generates billions for the economy).

Thankfully.

 

[its yourself]

North Korea has access to the single market. That the UK wants the exact terms seems foolish imho.

 

[RobFZS]

So access only means hard Brexit?

The Scottish conservatives and unionist party, Scottish labour party, Scottish green party, and the Scottish nationalist party all are campaigning for access to the single market.

This is at odds with the Westminster position of hard Brexit.

So according to you, Westminster (Theresa May) who has decided the Brexit vote means "hard" exit, does not want access to the European single market?

Please explain what you think is so simple, because you are contradicting yourself.




What country in the history of this planet has willingly cut itself off from its biggest market?????





I say again, Scottish politics and policy is different from Westminster (hence a Scottish desire to support the agricultural and food industry that generates billions for the economy).

Thankfully.

Linky to where Theresa May say's she does not want ACCESS to the Eu please, she is saying nothing different to what Davidson has said.

The Scots are just like the farm son, talk the talk, but don't have any meaningful power and if they did, the farm would be soon down the pan.

Soft Brexit means being part of the Single market,a member of it, how long will this take you to relies the difference, you can have ACCESS to sky sports via Now tv, but you do not have fully blown access to every part of it as you do with a proper sky sports subscription, Davidson was Advocating the now tv option. the SNP advocate the full sky sports subscription, got it yet?

And this is all talk anyway, what sort of simpleton gives away their negotiating stance, other than possible Nicola Sturgeon and Ivan Rogers, Mrs May wants immigration controls, you won't get that with Single market membership, but you will get it via access like a Canada + deal, just as Davidson say's she wants the fullest possible access, the possible part relies on what can be done with migration.

Also @ the bit in bold, your own country nearly did and you continue to side with them that want to, that's exactly what you will get.

 

[RobFZS]

A prime example of the truthiness of brexiters above.

No matter that she campaigned for free movement. Said she wanted to keep it post ref. Said she wanted to keep passporting too.

You'll claim the exact opposite.

Just like the Trumpers denial of his actual words tapes actions and u turns.

You're playing thick right, Sturgeon etc said the referendum was a once in a generation opportunity, yet we're here again

Funny how you never replied to the Bit's from the White paper i posted the other day about Scotland having to pay 1% in to the foreign aid budget and being Net contributors to the eu, but let's not mention that, eh,leaving wastemonster will surely save you all the money

 

[its yourself]

You're playing thick right, Sturgeon etc said the referendum was a once in a generation opportunity, yet we're here again

The UK promised Scotland a No vote meant EU membership.
If we stay in the EU for a generation yet I doubt there will be an indyref 2.

Seems fair.

Plus you unionists should be much much more concerned about NI right now.

But what's an actual crisis compared to some posturing eh?

 

[RobFZS]

The UK promised Scotland a No vote meant EU membership.
If we stay in the EU for a generation yet I doubt there will be an indyref 2.

Seems fair.

Plus you unionists should be much much more concerned about NI right now.

But what's an actual crisis compared to some posturing eh?

The white paper is relying on the rest of the eu countries to accept your waving of article 49 and allow you in to the EU as an independent memberstate, how's that going to go down with Spain?

Also, do those million Scottish voters that voted to leave the EU have no say?

 

[RobFZS]

@DrDunc Has been listening to the BBC too much, does he really think, a remainer prime minster, will go on WTO rules, whatever that would be? all the signs are there for an interim period in the EEA/ efta before finally doing a Canada + deal, it's all there if you look hard enough, the Nissan conversation, the fact we've not even invoked article 50 yet, why bother going to all this effort to go on to WTO?

 

[Henarar]

I doubt there will be an indyref 2.

Changed your chirp there then

 

[DrDunc]

Linky to where Theresa May say's she does not want ACCESS to the Eu please, she is saying nothing different to what Davidson has said.

The Scots are just like the farm son, talk the talk, but don't have any meaningful power and if they did, the farm would be soon down the pan.

Soft Brexit means being part of the Single market,a member of it, how long will this take you to relies the difference, you can have ACCESS to sky sports via Now tv, but you do not have fully blown access to every part of it as you do with a proper sky sports subscription, Davidson was Advocating the now tv option. the SNP advocate the full sky sports subscription, got it yet?

And this is all talk anyway, what sort of simpleton gives away their negotiating stance, other than possible Nicola Sturgeon and Ivan Rogers, Mrs May wants immigration controls, you won't get that with Single market membership, but you will get it via access like a Canada + deal, just as Davidson say's she wants the fullest possible access, the possible part relies on what can be done with migration.

Also @ the bit in bold, your own country nearly did and you continue to side with them that want to, that's exactly what you will get.

I'm thankful that the vast majority of the Scottish voters and all of the Scottish political parties (however confused or divergent their policies) are not disgusting, condescending, nasty narrow minded, racist, business illiterate fools that your posts clearly you to be.

 

[RobFZS]

I'm thankful that the vast majority of the Scottish voters and all of the Scottish political parties (however confused or divergent their policies) are not disgusting, condescending, nasty narrow minded, racist, business illiterate fools that your posts clearly you to be.

Aha, no answers then, as you were.

You can tell me about running a business when you make a profit without the need of subsidy.

 

[Osca]

The UK promised Scotland a No vote meant EU membership.

No it didn't.

And since the possibility of a referendum was already being discussed, it really wasn't in a position to do so, however sure the Government may have been that Britain would vote to stay in.

 

[glasshouse]

No it didn't.

And since the possibility of a referendum was already being discussed, it really wasn't in a position to do so, however sure the Government may have been that Britain would vote to stay in.

The better together campaign said that the only way to ensure scottish eu membership was to vote no. This was patently a lie, just like everything else the they said.

 

[RobFZS]

The better together campaign said that the only way to ensure scottish eu membership was to vote no. This was patently a lie, just like everything else the they said.

You had a better chance of staying in the eu at that time, than what the supposed way of Scotland staying in the eu that the SNP tells of, even now, if we stay in the eea, that will be a better place than an independent Scotland would be.

 

[glasshouse]

You had a better chance of staying in the eu at that time, than what the supposed way of Scotland staying in the eu that the SNP tells of, even now, if we stay in the eea, that will be a better place than an independent Scotland would be.

Better together didnt say anything about a better chance of staying in the eu, they said a NO vote would ENSURE eu membership.
If scotland had voted YES, David cameron would have resigned then, and the brexit vote would never have happened.

 

[RobFZS]

Better together didnt say anything about a better chance of staying in the eu, they said a NO vote would ENSURE eu membership.
If scotland had voted YES, David cameron would have resigned then, and the brexit vote would never have happened.

But you would then be out of the European Union, and seeing as, as you say, we would still be in it, why would we vote to allow you back in to the eu? along with the Spanish and it needs a unilateral vote across the board to allow you back in.

Alot of coulda woulda shoulda's, but the snp's idea of remaining in the eu, in the white paper is alot of wishful thinking.

 

[glasshouse]

But you would then be out of the European Union, and seeing as, as you say, we would still be in it, why would we vote to allow you back in to the eu? along with the Spanish and it needs a unilateral vote across the board to allow you back in.

Alot of coulda woulda shoulda's, but the snp's idea of remaining in the eu, in the white paper is alot of wishful thinking.

A yes vote would have allowed us to stay in eu, all the talk of getting kicked out was just pish.

 

[RobFZS]

A yes vote would have allowed us to stay in eu, all the talk of getting kicked out was just pish.

The Scottish Government has proposed an 18-month period between the referendum and independence, which we believe is realistic for the terms of Scotland’s independent membership of the EU to be agreed and all the necessary processes completed. It also provides sufficient time for the Scottish Government to undertake the necessary legal and institutional preparations for independent EU membership. 221 The Scottish situation is sui generis. There is no specific provision within the EU Treaties for the situation where, by a consensual and lawful constitutional process, the democratically determined majority view in part of the territory of an existing member state is that it should become an independent country. Article 49 of the Treaty of the European Union provides the legal basis, and defines the procedure, for a conventional enlargement where the candidate country is seeking membership from outside the EU. As Scotland joined the EU in 1973 this is not the starting position from which the Scottish Government will be pursuing independent EU membership. Article 49 does not appear to be the appropriate legal base on which to facilitate Scotland’s transition to full EU membership. The alternative to an Article 49 procedure, and a legal basis that the Scottish Government considers is appropriate to the prospective circumstances, is that Scotland’s transition to full membership is secured under the general provisions of Article 48. Article 48 provides for a Treaty amendment to be agreed by common accord on the part of the representatives of the governments of the member states. Article 48 is therefore a suitable legal route to facilitate the transition process, by allowing the EU Treaties to be amended through ordinary revision procedure before Scotland becomes independent, to enable it to become a member state at the point of independence. The Scottish Government recognises it will be for the EU member states, meeting under the auspices of the Council, to take forward the most appropriate procedure under which an independent Scotland will become a signatory to the EU Treaties at the point at which it becomes independent, taking into account Scotland’s status as an EU jurisdiction of 40 years standing. The European Parliament will also play its role in Scotland’s transition. The Scottish Government will approach EU membership negotiations on the principle of continuity of effect: that is, a transition to independent membership that is based on the EU Treaty obligations and provisions that currently apply to 222 Chapter 6 PART 3 International Relations and Defence Scotland under our present status as part of the UK, and without disruption to Scotland’s current fully integrated standing within the legal, economic, institutional, political and social framework of the EU. We recognise that specific provisions will need to be included in the EU Treaties as part of the amendment process to ensure the principle of continuity of effect with respect to the terms and conditions of Scotland’s independent EU membership, including detailed considerations around current opt-outs, in particular the rebate, Eurozone, Justice and Home Affairs and the Schengen travel area. Scotland is likely to be a net financial contributor to the EU, subject to negotiation on issues such as the rebate and Scottish take up of EU funding programmes. The EU budget has been agreed until 2020. We see no reason for re-opening current budgetary agreements. Prior to 2020, we consider that the division of the share of the UK rebate would be a matter for negotiation between the Scottish and Westminster Governments. Our intention to retain Sterling as the currency of an independent Scotland is based on an analysis of the potential impact of the alternative currency options on Scottish people and businesses, including the ease with which they can conduct their business with people and companies across the rest of the UK and beyond. While the Scottish Government recognises the political and economic objectives of the Eurozone, an independent Scotland will not seek, nor will we qualify for, membership of the Eurozone. Scotland’s participation in the Sterling Area will not conflict with wider obligations under the EU treaties.

http://www.gov.scot/resource/0043/00439021.pdf

Have you read the white paper? put it this way, if we're having all these court cases for brexit now, what would have stopped the Spanish holding you up, never mind the fact it all has to be voted through via the eu parliament and memberstates, no treaty change without a vote.

 

[glasshouse]

The spanish depend on scotland s fishing grounds more so than any other eu state, i never saw them as likely to keep us out, despite their hatred of independence.