Good News in the pig trade

I contract rear outdoors for the guy who cranswick has just brought out, been told today that I’m now only rearing to 40kg outside free range and then there off to be put in sheds in there agisters sheds in Yorkshire so I’m told. Big changes for me overnight. We knew it was coming he couldn’t carry on as he was.
Where have they suddenly got all of those sheds from?
 
Seems like the American Business Model. Only one business makes the money.
if you were Evil minded, which surely non of us are, you could be forgiven for thinking that the pig market has been gerrymandering. Keep an eye on the egg market and poultry market it too could follow.
I think that you are correct.
However there is a highly successful and widely copied US model- started by Pipestone vets in Minnesota, which is the opposite of what we are seeing here with BQP, Cranswick etc.
In general, a group of farmers jointly build a 10,000 sow weaner production farm, then they get numbers of weaners according to their shareholding, which they might finish in their own buildings, on b and b farms or even sell.
The unusual thing is that the vet practice manages the sow farm for the farmers.
Is it successful? Well Pipestone now manage 400,000 sows I think and other vet practices have copied it, notably Carthage in Illinois.
So, some of the biggest operations in the US are actually farmer owned, rather than being corporate ogres.
Not sure why I posted about this as for various reasons it couldn't be copied here.
 

maen

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Location
S West
I think that you are correct.
However there is a highly successful and widely copied US model- started by Pipestone vets in Minnesota, which is the opposite of what we are seeing here with BQP, Cranswick etc.
In general, a group of farmers jointly build a 10,000 sow weaner production farm, then they get numbers of weaners according to their shareholding, which they might finish in their own buildings, on b and b farms or even sell.
The unusual thing is that the vet practice manages the sow farm for the farmers.
Is it successful? Well Pipestone now manage 400,000 sows I think and other vet practices have copied it, notably Carthage in Illinois.
So, some of the biggest operations in the US are actually farmer owned, rather than being corporate ogres.
Not sure why I posted about this as for various reasons it couldn't be copied here.
Your model may not be able to be copied but the reason for this change is the same here now. So what hybrid model would work. Ideally needs slaughter capacity like Denmark.
 
Your model may not be able to be copied but the reason for this change is the same here now. So what hybrid model would work. Ideally needs slaughter capacity like Denmark
Yes and the Danish farmers co operatively own that slaughter capacity. Sadly, co operation often doesn't work here in the UK. Our model of PLC's favours the growth of the likes of Cranswick and Tesco. In Germany, the climate seems to favour large private businesses, such as Tonnies.
 

midlandslad

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Location
Midlands
I contract rear outdoors for the guy who cranswick has just brought out, been told today that I’m now only rearing to 40kg outside free range and then there off to be put in sheds in there agisters sheds in Yorkshire so I’m told. Big changes for me overnight. We knew it was coming he couldn’t carry on as he was.
Does anyone have a link to the details of the purchase?
 

Batty

Member
Seems like the American Business Model. Only one business makes the money.
if you were Evil minded, which surely non of us are, you could be forgiven for thinking that the pig market has been gerrymandering. Keep an eye on the egg market and poultry market it too could follow.
The poultry market could follow!! ALL of cranswick chicken is sourced from crown poultry all of crowns feed is sourced from crown milling. Crown is a subsiduary of you’ve guessed it cranswick. It’s already happened. Someone who’s opinion I trust told me cranswick are looking to further expand there pig herd.
 
The poultry market could follow!! ALL of cranswick chicken is sourced from crown poultry all of crowns feed is sourced from crown milling. Crown is a subsiduary of you’ve guessed it cranswick. It’s already happened. Someone who’s opinion I trust told me cranswick are looking to further expand there pig herd.
Cranswick know that most independent pig producers would rather not deal with them and when they are in a position to stick two fingers up to them they will. Therefore, to ensure continued supply they will have to own pretty much all of their production, or pay a lot of money.
They have history though, about twenty years ago they had a big dabble in pig production, didn't like it and sold it to a Cumbrian farmer, although he had deep pockets they weren't deep enough and eventually went bust.
What goes around comes around...
 

Marsh lad

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BASIS
Location
Lincolnshire
Where have they suddenly got all of those sheds from?
Not sure , I’ve just been told to rear the 2800 I’ve got which he still owns to fat weight 70kg + , then the next lot in will be have in hurdles for a week, then let out as normal behind single stand Electric fence but only to 40kg then load up and send north.
 

Chieftain

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Nottinghamshire
The poultry market could follow!! ALL of cranswick chicken is sourced from crown poultry all of crowns feed is sourced from crown milling. Crown is a subsiduary of you’ve guessed it cranswick. It’s already happened. Someone who’s opinion I trust told me cranswick are looking to further expand there pig herd.

Not sure about anywhere else but around here they've scaled back expansion of their outdoor pig herd, with a focus on improving quality of what they're doing. There have been fields fenced and ready that they've now taken down again without a pig touching grass. To say they don't have the best reputation with people they rent land off is an understatement and the weaners coming off the sites haven't been the best according to the transport drivers, not to discredit the people managing on those sites of course because it's not easy when workers are going through a revolving door. I'm sure the plan is to expand long term though, like with any big business, as this recent buyout has shown.
 
Not sure about anywhere else but around here they've scaled back expansion of their outdoor pig herd, with a focus on improving quality of what they're doing. There have been fields fenced and ready that they've now taken down again without a pig touching grass. To say they don't have the best reputation with people they rent land off is an understatement and the weaners coming off the sites haven't been the best according to the transport drivers, not to discredit the people managing on those sites of course because it's not easy when workers are going through a revolving door. I'm sure the plan is to expand long term though, like with any big business, as this recent buyout has shown.
Their model of many of their breeding farms being wholly managed by them with employed labour is always going to deliver worse results than only using agistors like BQP, where the people have a degree of “ownership” and a lot of financial incentive to perform well.
 

unlacedgecko

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Livestock Farmer
Cranswick know that most independent pig producers would rather not deal with them and when they are in a position to stick two fingers up to them they will. Therefore, to ensure continued supply they will have to own pretty much all of their production, or pay a lot of money

I'd rather exit farming than deal with that bunch of crooks.

They have history though, about twenty years ago they had a big dabble in pig production, didn't like it and sold it to a Cumbrian farmer, although he had deep pockets they weren't deep enough and eventually went bust.
What goes around comes around...

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Man fined £300 for bonfire-related waste offences

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Written by William Kellett from Agriland

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A man has pleaded guilty at Newtownards Magistrates’ Court to waste offences relating to a bonfire next to the electrical sub-station on the Circular Road in Newtownards, Co. Down.

Gareth Gill (51) of Abbot’s Walk, Newtownards pleaded guilty to two charges under the Waste and Contaminated Land (Northern Ireland) Order 1997, for which he was fined £150 each and ordered to pay a £15 offender’s levy

On June 25, 2018, PSNI officers went to Gill’s yard, where they found a large amount of waste consisting of scrap wood, pallets, carpet and underlay.

Discussion with Northern Ireland Environment Agency (NIEA) officers confirmed the site...
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