Government covers running costs of CF fertiliser

[Farmer_Joe]

Just seen this on bbc news, government to cover running costs of cf plant for 3 weeks ( to get the by product of fert production co2 back up and running) you Rekon the fert will be a free by product ha ha!!

bet they are laughing their cocks off all production costs covered and 2 expensive products to sell off…

 

[vantage]

And in three weeks what happens then?

 

[Farmer_Joe]

Cf giggle about how the government have paid them to make 2 valuable products and stiff everyone for co2 and fert

 

[ImLost]

Cf giggle about how the government have paid them to make 2 valuable products and stiff everyone for co2 and fert

Why can't CF just put their prices up? It's only what every other business does when inputs get more expensive.

 

[delilah]

Why can't CF just put their prices up? It's only what every other business does when inputs get more expensive.

Because this isn't about price. It is about a member of a cartel engaging in brinkmanship. Saying to Government "are we too big to fail ?". They now have their answer.
Market share is the root of all evil.

 

[Still Farming]

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[DrWazzock]

They should have been nationalised, pure and simple. The government should have requisitioned the plants for £1.

 

[spin cycle]

And in three weeks what happens then?

the price of c02 is set to increase from £200/t to £1000t according to the news.....i guess at that price they reckon co2 production is viable in it's own right

 

[Still Farming]

 

[Swarfmonkey]

They should have been nationalised, pure and simple. The government should have requisitioned the plants for £1.

So, if a business relies on a subsidy to keep operating the government should be able to steam in and buy if for a quid? Slippery slope there, especially for a fair number of farmers.

 

[puppet]

That will be half of us up here then. Independence will probably bring government ownership anyway

 

[Roger Perry]

They should have been nationalised, pure and simple. The government should have requisitioned the plants for £1.

So, you are saying that the UK gov should forcibly seize an American corporation's manufacturing plant because you do not have enough of one of the products produced at said plant...?
Good luck with that, wars have been started for less.

 

[melted welly]

Because this isn't about price. It is about a member of a cartel engaging in brinkmanship. Saying to Government "are we too big to fail ?". They now have their answer.
Market share is the root of all evil.

Never had much time for conspiracy theories in the past, but what we’re living through just now makes me very uneasy. Taking a step back and look at all the parts of the jigsaw:

The disruption to our food supply through consolidated businesses relying on just in time chains between ultimately a handful of RDC’s. That model relies on a lot of haulage, cheap labour and relatively cheap energy to remain viable, all of which have been disrupted.

Energy supply, it’s one thing the price rises but there is the constant push from pressure groups and lobbyists to move entirely from the reliable yet old fashioned means of production to supplies reliant on nature, and as farmers well know, if you think you’ve control of Mother Nature for your own ends, she’ll bite you.

Cash will be done away with eventually, cards more convenient but all that is intangible, a transaction charge every time you spend your own money, nice little earner. And if the lights go out where are we then?

Key pieces of infrastructure foreign owned. Easy way to make to lights go out. And we’ve got homegrown fools campaigning to close our domestic oil and gas fields.

Health service on its knees due a flu type virus with 99.8% (or something like that) survival rate. And it has been proved that general public will largely meekly follow govt orders to clear the streets. The average age of those who have succumbed to this is still 82. the writing is on the wall, the answer will be an annual vaccination programme endorsed by the self certifying manufacturers of said vaccine. The death rate this summer with vaccines has been higher than last summer without vaccines.

Agriculture is one of the very last industries in this country in which production is done completely by small independents, and look at the pressure we are under from all sides, be it rising cost if inputs, the stagnant rewards for outputs, the hamstringing by red tape The anti-ag rhetoric in press/media has been there for years but it’s a different league now with the anti meat corner gaming ground.
Our own government is implicit in this whether consciously or not by their lack of interest in domestic production. Are we to be eventually turned into a land bank for housing developers or park keepers for the masses to enjoy? How many of us have sat and thought “why the hell am I doing this?”

And getting into proper tin foil hat territory- who is funding and organising BLM, Insulate Britain, the whole Woke agenda etc? They are distractions to keep folk talking and arguing about emotive irrelevancies whilst all this goes on unseen. The main spokesman for insulate Britain lives in a single glazed non insulated west London home ffs.

For the first time in my career I genuinely question whether there is a future worth working for in this industry.

 

[wanton dwarf]

The main spokesman for insulate Britain lives in a single glazed non insulated west London home ffs.

Owned by a housing association. So the muppet wants his insulation done for free even though he was earning too much money to qualify for the previous insulation scheme - which was for those on benefits.

 

[Oldmacdonald]

Owned by a housing association. So the muppet wants his insulation done for free even though he was earning too much money to qualify for the previous insulation scheme - which was for those on benefits.

Just because you are earning too much to qualify for a previous scheme - it doesn't make insulating a home and double glazing any more financially possible.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Just because you are earning too much to qualify for a previous scheme - it doesn't make insulating a home and double glazing any more financially possible.

It depends where the bloke wants to spend his money.

If he wants to prioritise insulation then he could do it. He could do it DIY if he was so dedicated.

 

[Oldmacdonald]

It depends where the bloke wants to spend his money.

If he wants to prioritise insulation then he could do it. He could do it DIY if he was so dedicated.

I'd say that's a gross simplification and misunderstanding of how those on borderline poverty have to live.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I'd say that's a gross simplification and misunderstanding of how those on borderline poverty have to live.

We are talking about the main spokesman for insulate britain aren't we? He is not in poverty.

As an aside Wickes used to do a government sponsored offer for about 3 rolls of loft insulation for the price of 1. I bought loads of it and it is a shame it doesn't exist anymore. However external insulation for the UK housing stock is going to be quite tricky.

 

[Oldmacdonald]

We are talking about the main spokesman for insulate britain aren't we? He is not in poverty.

As an aside Wickes used to do a government sponsored offer for about 3 rolls of loft insulation for the price of 1. I bought loads of it and it is a shame it doesn't exist anymore. However external insulation for the UK housing stock is going to be quite tricky.

Well, I was talking generally about those for whom he is campaigning for.

 

[melted welly]

Well, I was talking generally about those for whom he is campaigning for.

He is campaigning primarily on the environmental side of it from what I saw of an interview, made no reference to poverty whatsoever.

“ The campaigners are demanding the government perform a retrofit of all UK homes to make them more energy-efficient, in order to meet the UK climate change targets under the Paris Agreement. ”

Insulate Britain: what the protesters want

Motorists assault demonstrators as disruption to Britain’s road network continues

www.theweek.co.uk

They are a spin off of XR.

Somebody pays for this chaos to be enacted, the 20ft pvc banners can’t be knocked up at home, there is money going into this national disruption.