Govt finally realised the problems of Renewables as the primary source of UK power?

[Exfarmer]

We should not be worrying about the lights going off anyway as we have surplus CCGT plants to cover demand all thats needed is a guarantee of gas supply at reasonable price which UK can easily do if the right storage and production of UK gas is put in place. Theres really not much of the UK which is not sat on top of a coal seam that gas could not be extracted from.

We certainly have not got surplus CGT plants, we have 34G and most days we are using 42-43
However yes if we develop secure production of gas then we could happily ramp up renewables but will the Nimby’s allow it? Dont hold your breath

 

[A1an]

Not sure this spat will overly affect us , very little gas from USSR and no leccy

But dont let that get in the way of a good scaremongering story.

 

[Exfarmer]

But dont let that get in the way of a good scaremongering story.

You need to realise we take a very big chunk of our gas from Norway, but they also feed into the network which feeds a large part of Europe. They will not be able to supply all and will obviously send to who pays best. It is the market at work.
If the gas network pressure srops too low they have to cut chunks off .

 

[renewablejohn]

We certainly have not got surplus CGT plants, we have 34G and most days we are using 42-43
However yes if we develop secure production of gas then we could happily ramp up renewables but will the Nimby’s allow it? Dont hold your breath

We still have mothballed ccgt 5G nuclear and 3G biomass so really not a problem. Even then the peak is only a couple of hours and there is plenty of peaking plant and hydro to cover that.

 

[serf]

Will fracking and open cast coal be looked at again, if we were to see Blackouts?

You never know, common sense may prevail ...
When the chips are down !

 

[serf]

Shame all those cooling towers down the Trent Valley were blown up!

When I seen them go I thought its crazy what's going on , it's like a scorched earth policy and making sure there's no one going to use them again !

While China has a party and a laugh at us while they see it on the TV


China probably supplied the TNT to do the job now that would be irony at its best ...

 

[Farma Parma]

This puff is the most ludicrous piece of tripe conceivable. The government has demolished the vast bulk of the old coal fired stations, we can at most now produce about 3 gigawatt I think from the black stuff.
In theory we have total generating capacity of 80 gigawatt but this is made up of 24 G of wing and 14G of solar, ie nearly half
Renewable other ie AD etc is about 4.5G and hydro about 1.5G
Then we have about 6.5G nuclear
So we have about 12.5 G of reliable non carbon power, this will not change in a hurry certainly no way by next winter if we are to use less gas!
We currently have about 34G of gas powered generation and we need an absolute minimum on an average winters day of 45G
We also have virtually no storage for gas to build up reserves thanks to decisions made by recent governments short sightedness
Who would run a farm with 4days storage of diesel!

Get on www.gridwatch.co.uk & see how much we rely on Gas Turbines for Electric Power in the UK, we shouldnt have too its a farce.

 

[Farma Parma]

Get on www.gridwatch.co.uk & see how much we rely on Gas Turbines for Electric Power in the UK, we shouldnt have too its a farce.

Pleased too see Wind is propping us up today anyways. Makes a change.

 

[renewablejohn]

We certainly have not got surplus CGT plants, we have 34G and most days we are using 42-43
However yes if we develop secure production of gas then we could happily ramp up renewables but will the Nimby’s allow it? Dont hold your breath

Dont confuse plate capacity with peak power capacity. With steam accumulators the peak power can be very much more. Obviously peak power is probably needed only 2 hours per day.

 

[flywheel]

Vlad is angry cos nobody loves him , show my arse in Burtons window if he enters the Ukraine

Trump would have sorted this whilst Sleepy Joe was having a nap

As for the EU

 

[Exfarmer]

We still have mothballed ccgt 5G nuclear and 3G biomass so really not a problem. Even then the peak is only a couple of hours and there is plenty of peaking plant and hydro to cover that.

Those mothballed nuclear power plants are extremely unlikely to come back on stream.
Ofgem admitted in June the risk of a major blackout has risen from 1 in 47 years to 1 in 4 years thanks to shutting down coal and nuclear plants.
The reliance on non guaranteable power sources is leaving us at huge risk where we could see major disruption.

 

[Farma Parma]

all those against Wind Power eh so where would the power come from today if we didnt have them ??

 

[renewablejohn]

Didnt know you could mothball a nuclear plant. Certainly nuclear is creating a big problem with two more on accelerated closure now predicted at the end of this year instead of 2025. Looks like Hinkley will be delayed and were even having to prop up France on the interconnectors as their nuclear is crumbling.

 

[Exfarmer]

all those against Wind Power eh so where would the power come from today if we didnt have them ??

from gas.
I am most definitely not against any form of renewables but the issue with them all is that they need back up for when the sun doesn't shine or the wind does not blow.
The problem is that no other form of energy but gas will compensate for this quickly. Nuclear needs a couple of days warning generally to get going coal 2-4 hours.
The government has been dreaming despite the industry warnings that tweaking insulation levels and a few dozen batteries will sort the issue, It won't.
Furthermore as they have gone down the green agenda they are promoting technologies which will require far more electricity. Converting homes to ASHP powered by wind is a dream which will not work in a dank dismal December day, however much hot air is created by ministers.
The reality is that these heat pumps will be powered a lot of the time by Gas turbines and the actual hoped for nett gain could very easily become a gross nett loss since most of these air source rely on direct immersion heating when the air temperature is low.

 

[renewablejohn]

all those against Wind Power eh so where would the power come from today if we didnt have them ??

I have nothing against wind I just wish they would install the storage capacity so that it can be used 24/7. With the introduction of hydraulic turbines there is no excuse for wind turbines only to be generating when its windy.

 

[Exfarmer]

Didnt know you could mothball a nuclear plant. Certainly nuclear is creating a big problem with two more on accelerated closure now predicted at the end of this year instead of 2025. Looks like Hinkley will be delayed and were even having to prop up France on the interconnectors as their nuclear is crumbling.

in your post 44 you appeared to suggest there was 5G of mothballed nuclear, in theory there is but as I said it is unlikely to come back on line.
I have commented previously about the interconnection issue when Macron was threatening closure of it in retaliation for the NI issue

 

[Exfarmer]

I have nothing against wind I just wish they would install the storage capacity so that it can be used 24/7. With the introduction of hydraulic turbines there is no excuse for wind turbines only to be generating when its windy.

explain more please?

 

[Two Tone]

There was a woman on Radio 4 yesterday claiming she couldn’t understand why her electricity bill had gone up and is predicted to go up even more, when she is on a ‘Renewable/Green energy’ contract with her supplier.

Obviously she doesn’t realise that there is no way she can have ‘only the green energy’ supplied by the National grid, into her house.

It just shows you what a sham the system is and how gullible people can be, to the clever marketing guys at the energy supply companies!

Somebody at Trading Standards should look at this.

 

[Two Tone]

When I seen them go I thought its crazy what's going on , it's like a scorched earth policy and making sure there's no one going to use them again !

While China has a party and a laugh at us while they see it on the TV


China probably supplied the TNT to do the job now that would be irony at its best ...

Akin to the Nazi’s knocking down the Sobibor death camp before the Allies got to it, to try to hide that it ever existed.

 

[renewablejohn]

in your post 44 you appeared to suggest there was 5G of mothballed nuclear, in theory there is but as I said it is unlikely to come back on line.
I have commented previously about the interconnection issue when Macron was threatening closure of it in retaliation for the NI issue

Sorry should have been a full stop after CCGT. You referred to 34G of CCGT and demand of 42G was just pointing out in addition to CCGT there is also 5G of Nuclear and 3G of Biomass so will still be able to manage without any coal.