Doing it for the kids
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What colour though?
Grade II listed buildings
- Thread starter The Ruminant
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wood needs to breathe, paints stops that, staining with oil is better, was told this by a chap we bought a big gate from, he was right, painting looks nice but as you say doesnt last long
renewablejohn
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Be nice if we could use modern paint it would be far cheaper. Instead we had to use a Linseed oil based paint with additive and even had to have the colour approved. That said the paint is actually lasting far better than modern paint and I will use again in preference to modern paint.
SilliamWhale
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Its not that dear. A litre goes a long way. I reckon you could make your own linseed oil paint with pigment and oil anyway but not tried it yet. I've painted some crappy hardwood howdens doors with linseed oil and they've lasted well. I've got two wood pitch pine beams as lintels above some french doors in my house- linseed oil them annually - not a scrap of rot in them. The doors below I used modern paint and they are forever flaking and rotting in places and just 10 yr old. Yes the wood quality is different but the modern paints though brilliant indoors lack breathability needed.
That's interesting. It's got to the stage where I'm painting mine every other year. And they still look awful.And I've got 40 to do....
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Do you have to remove the old ' modern ' paint before using linseed oil based paint ?
.Do you have to remove the old ' modern ' paint before using linseed oil based paint ?
Bloody hell didnt realise you lived in a country estateThat's interesting. It's got to the stage where I'm painting mine every other year. And they still look awful.And I've got 40 to do....
Do you have to remove the old ' modern ' paint before using linseed oil based paint ?
renewablejohn
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Bloody hell didnt realise you lived in a country estate
He is very lucky I had 22 windows to do just in one room. Thankfully now its glass direct into the stone mullions so no more painting windows in that room.
how did you do the glass into the mullions? We have an old barn with arrow slits that we are thinking of doing under PD and having glass straight into the stone would be good
suffolksmallholder
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I know there's a window maker in Stokenchurch, near high Wycombe, who makes windows suitable for grade 2 listed buildings. That's not so far from you. Sorry I can't help with the name but a little research will probably lead you to him. I've seen his work & I like. (Fitted to a listed thatched cottage)
Conservation officer may help but on the other hand if he's a tw*t he won't. Horses foe courses & all that. Research is paramount here & facts speak louder than anything, particularly sound ones
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Conservation officer may help but on the other hand if he's a tw*t he won't. Horses foe courses & all that. Research is paramount here & facts speak louder than anything, particularly sound ones
SS
suffolksmallholder
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As an addendum it's the glass units that makes the biggest difference to your heat loss. http://uk.saint-gobain-glass.com There's Pilkington too but I prefer The first. The casement is secondary in reality. Please don't be fooled by the fallacy of triple glazing. Unless this is in the correct structure it is a total-waste-of-time-&-money against quality double-glazing.
So an example here is the fully glazed door against the half glazed door. You'd expect the half glazed unit to perform better but it's the fully glazed unit that works best with its argon filling in between the glass & the composite spacers. Down-side is in the metal required to support a door. Windows don't have metal so air rated at A+12
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So an example here is the fully glazed door against the half glazed door. You'd expect the half glazed unit to perform better but it's the fully glazed unit that works best with its argon filling in between the glass & the composite spacers. Down-side is in the metal required to support a door. Windows don't have metal so air rated at A+12
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renewablejohn
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Used 4 16 4 16 4 triple glaze units argon filled with thermal inner glass and self cleaning outer. Used Soudal low expansion foam to fix glaze unit into mullions but have a lead sheet barrier between the glaze units and the foam as in the long term it could react with the plastic. Foam then cut flush with the glaze unit and then pointed internally and externally with traditional burnt mastic (boiled linseed oil mixed with burnt sand). If you PM me your email address I can email you the sectional drawings used for the planning application.
You will not regret getting rid of the timber frames the difference in light is amazing. Heat loss is dramatically lower with no draughts. Noise reduction was unexpected but very noticeable. The one I didnt expect was mobile phone reception which is now very poor within the house.
Because we got rid of all opening windows we had to install tandem MVHR units which will also filter the air and hopefully assist my wifes asthma.
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Could you explain a little bit more Clive
What did you manage to have in the end or has it not happened yet?
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We were told it varied depending on the local conservation officer’s individual viewpoint (so no national strategy....!) In the end we took the view that, if we were going to replace windows, we would pay a little more and add bespoke double glazed wooden windows. Still may not meet the conservation officer’s requirements, if they were ever spotted......
That is the farce that is listed building rules, basically its down to the local council bod and what he fancies, best get a very attractive young lady with low cut top to discuss matters with them, assuming its a male and he is hetrosexual of course
renewablejohn
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Dont take any garbage from your local conservation officer. Historic England rue the roost and if you get HE on your side supporting your case then the council get told what to do. If down to my local conservation officer I would now have oak frame opening single glaze windows. Thankfully HE sided with me and we ended up with triple glaze direct into stone mullions plus MVHR as well as under floor heating and en-suites all of which rejected originally in discussion with the conservation officer.
my council wilts said one of our barns was curtilage listed, I said it wasnt, ten years later and a three day public enquiry they found I was right, they then applied to have it listed in its own right, they lost that one too, next year we are going for a part Q conversion, wonder if they will learn that they arent the law despite the chief planning officer telling me she was the law in wilts
renewablejohn
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Just reread this and it does read very gender specific in respect of HE then I realised I had abbreviated Historic England I apologise if anyone confused.