Grain Haulage availability Harvest 2019

[Derky]

We run 2 bulkers. We constantly get fed up waiting to load and to tip. We avoid certain mills. The aggregate used to be the back load now its the front load as it pays more. Grain haulage rates have not gone up, but we have to have newer motors to get into London, more training, more wages and more daft schemes to jump through. I will look hard at whether to continue when mine are up for renewal. We increasingly do more novel things with flatbeds and low loads that pay better rates. The industry needs to wake up, we need quicker tips and we are not free storage for them.

 

[7610 super q]

I appreciate grain haulage rates haven't gone up, but neither has grain. If it's £5 / ton to haul it now, wonder what it was per ton in the '70's ?

 

[Spud]

We run 2 bulkers. We constantly get fed up waiting to load and to tip. We avoid certain mills. The aggregate used to be the back load now its the front load as it pays more. Grain haulage rates have not gone up, but we have to have newer motors to get into London, more training, more wages and more daft schemes to jump through. I will look hard at whether to continue when mine are up for renewal. We increasingly do more novel things with flatbeds and low loads that pay better rates. The industry needs to wake up, we need quicker tips and we are not free storage for them.

Absolutely, umpteen million to build a new mill, and they still insist on tipping through a 10" grain sock! A 30t hole in the floor would allow a quick end door tip, and a small amount of storage.

 

[Flat 10]

I’ve never understood how cam grain think they will have a massive fleet of lorries ready to drop everything without paying massively over the odds. I personally wouldn’t be prepared to tip my grain on the dirt and have it get wet for several days because they didn’t come when they said they would. TBH I wouldn’t want to tip on dirt under any circumstances really.

 

[Hanslope]

I’ve never understood how cam grain think they will have a massive fleet of lorries ready to drop everything without paying massively over the odds. I personally wouldn’t be prepared to tip my grain on the dirt and have it get wet for several days because they didn’t come when they said they would. TBH I wouldn’t want to tip on dirt under any circumstances really.

I don't think many tip on dirt, most in buffer stores or on concrete pads.

It's an incredibly quick tip at all the Camgrain sites, loads are sampled and tipped in literally a few minutes and most Camgrain farmer members will be telehandler loading in sub twenty minutes, I had a driver two summers ago where I was his 9th and final load of the day, so for a few weeks there's the opportunity to really earn some money and if you can find the drivers you can double shift as it's a 24 hour operation at times.

Often have hauliers from all over the UK, e.g. last harvest I had hauliers from Cornwall and Cumbria.

 

[Hanslope]

I’ve never understood how cam grain think they will have a massive fleet of lorries ready to drop everything without paying massively over the odds. I personally wouldn’t be prepared to tip my grain on the dirt and have it get wet for several days because they didn’t come when they said they would. TBH I wouldn’t want to tip on dirt under any circumstances really.

This video from Twitter shows a typical Camgrain load, (taken from Twitter, it's not me!)

https://twitter.com/Jethro777777/status/1024647950348247040

Maybe Jethro is on here?

 

[roscoe erf]

Hello you called
Bet your glad that new ride of yours is going to earn its keep on flat work
£5/T about right for a 10 mile haul ,don't take much going wrong though especially sitting for hours waiting to tip to skim what bit of cream there is off the top
like has already been said earlier stone work far more appealing to tie in with regular straights work into mills rather than do grain

its a dying art flat work

 

[ajd132]

I’ve never understood how cam grain think they will have a massive fleet of lorries ready to drop everything without paying massively over the odds. I personally wouldn’t be prepared to tip my grain on the dirt and have it get wet for several days because they didn’t come when they said they would. TBH I wouldn’t want to tip on dirt under any circumstances really.

The camgrain tip is really quick, 5 or ten minutes I believe, don’t even need to get out of the cab. I can load a lorry in 8 minutes. They can do a lot of loads in a day. Hauliers from the north of Scotland come down for the harvest.

 

[legin]

We can load out of store in bout 20 minutes. If out of a bin just under an hour, I always tell the haulier when we are loading out of bin and they always appreciate it.

 

[bankrupt]

The camgrain tip is really quick, 5 or ten minutes I believe, don’t even need to get out of the cab. I can load a lorry in 8 minutes. They can do a lot of loads in a day. Hauliers from the north of Scotland come down for the harvest.

So what went wrong last year?

 

[crazy_bull]

So what went wrong last year?

Harvest 2-3 weeks early, lorries still emptying oldcrop out and stores not empty I think.

C B

 

[Oscar]

Hello Oscar. Our haulage enterprise was dads baby - he first got ill in 2016, and unfortunately died in March 18. Through having a really good team of staff, one of which came into the office to learn the ropes from dad a fair bit, we have been able to carry on for the last year or so, me not been one for knee jerk reactions.
Unfortunately, the updown nature of agricultural haulage, poor rates, increasing legislation, increasing inefficiency at mills, and the fact that I'm more of a farmer than a haulier, mean that though it turns over a lot of money, the profitability is nil. I cannot continue the risk, responsibility and sheer workload for nothing. Its taken a lot of sums and soul searching, but unfortunately I've had to bring 27yrs of transport here to a close.
I need to run the business for the future, not the past.

Our drivers have found opportunity and/or employment over the last month, and I am in the process of selling the trucks and trailers. Fancy buying one?

No I don t , sorry !! Did my class 1 as soon as I could [late80 s] and did at one point think about going on my own with an artic but things got in the way and never managed it but have done relief/ part time driving for various firms over the years including bulk but mostly on sheep/cattle .

Thanks for details and wish you and the drivers best of luck, Oscar

 

[bankrupt]

Harvest 2-3 weeks early, lorries still emptying oldcrop out and stores not empty I think.

C B

But everybody knew harvest would be 2-3 weeks early, 2-3 weeks before it started.

This forum had more than one thread upon that very subject.

 

[ajd132]

But everybody knew harvest would be 2-3 weeks early, 2-3 weeks before it started.

This forum had more than one thread upon that very subject.

Supply chains and movement of crop to processors can’t suddenly be changed because of early harvest I presume?

 

[bankrupt]

Supply chains and movement of crop to processors can’t suddenly be changed because of early harvest I presume?

No doubt they did their best.

When faced by unexpected events, it often comes down to a trade off between the short-term costs of emergency measures and the long-term costs of reputational damage.

Did they get it right?

 

[rob1]

If we take a long time to load then we get charged yet mills seem to be able to keep lorries waiting for a couple of hours without an issue, its the biggest gripe I have with wilts grain their old pits cant take more than a few tonnes and boards have to be put round, wouldnt be a huge expense to dig a bigger hole to take a whole load, even the new pits dont tkae a whole artic and it can take 7 minutes to clear the line, another local store has a load of bunkers for different grades and a BIG shoelv to fill the pits so they can keep filling the different grades rather than chopping and changing.
The hauliers that pick mine up know I will load at 5 am or 9 pm so it doesnt stop me during the day and makes it easier for them too, a bit of communication goes a llong way to make everyones job easier

 

[crazy_bull]

But everybody knew harvest would be 2-3 weeks early, 2-3 weeks before it started.

This forum had more than one thread upon that very subject.

Not that easy to force mills to take wheat that they are already running at full capacity to process so where do you move it to?

C B

 

[Flat 10]

Not that easy to force mills to take wheat that they are already running at full capacity to process so where do you move it to?

C B

I take your point but if I had bought into Camgrain I don't think I would care. IMO its what you are paying for.......

 

[crazy_bull]

I take your point but if I had bought into Camgrain I don't think I would care. IMO its what you are paying for.......

Central store vs on farm storage, which is best..... there is only one way to find out....... FIGHT

 

[rob1]

Central store vs on farm storage, which is best..... there is only one way to find out....... FIGHT

its silly season again