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- Location
- Near Stratford upon Avon
You will need a grazing agreement drawn up by someone though.
Grazing income
- Thread starter True North
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- Location
- Yorkshire
Thanks Derrick.
That's a good starting point for us, thanks very much.
- Location
- Yorkshire
Yeah, i'm aware and we've told them that's what we'd do if we proceed and they are happy with that.
Shall have a think, thanks very much.
- Location
- Yorkshire
That's a good idea. Land agents...can't even bloody find one!
- Location
- Ceredigion
Dont go down the head per week route. You will live to regret it . Keep it as simple as you can, get an agreement drawn up , half payment before stock arrive and rest when they leave is normal
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
Matter of interest @Derrick Hughes , why do you advise against the per head per week route?
All our grazing stock are paying on this basis and so I'm curious
@Trudie we're in NZ so rates will be different, but we charge
sheep, summer, 75p pw
sheep, longterm 75p
sheep, winter, 95p
weaner cattle £7/pw
incalf heifer, winter, £14pw
upper end of the price scale but they're definitely intensively managed, not "parked somewhere"
it needs to compete with other uses for the feed, eg haylage you'd be looking at so much per kgDM + costs + loading it out... at least grazing keeps the fertility here on the land
best of luck
All our grazing stock are paying on this basis and so I'm curious
@Trudie we're in NZ so rates will be different, but we charge
sheep, summer, 75p pw
sheep, longterm 75p
sheep, winter, 95p
weaner cattle £7/pw
incalf heifer, winter, £14pw
upper end of the price scale but they're definitely intensively managed, not "parked somewhere"
it needs to compete with other uses for the feed, eg haylage you'd be looking at so much per kgDM + costs + loading it out... at least grazing keeps the fertility here on the land
best of luck
- Location
- Yorkshire
Hia,
This is what I mean, so many different figures depending on the location and animal. Plus so many different ways of doing it. It honestly hurts my head
For us it's 9 months of cow grazing plus water, thats it for 20 acres and we think around 20 cows.
I think the figures Derrick gave me are realistic for an arrangement. Definitely food for thought for where we might take the direction of the farm.
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- Location
- Devon
Hia,
This is what I mean, so many different figures depending on the location and animal. Plus so many different ways of doing it. It honestly hurts my head
For us it's 9 months of cow grazing plus water, thats it for 20 acres and we think around 20 cows.
I think the figures Derrick gave me are realistic for an arrangement. Definitely food for thought for where we might take the direction of the farm.
What type of land is it?? because unless its sand you will NOT get 9 months of grazing with cows off of it without doing a lot of damage to the land!
Grazing licences run from 1 April to 30 Oct at most for cattle and really needs to be 30th Sept.
For that period you will be looking at £80/120 acre ( depending on local demand ) and certainly less if the fences are not that good, as for the water that should be included in the rental price agreed and not an extra!
No offence but you seem to think that there is a lot more money/ higher rates in farming than there actually is.
- Location
- Yorkshire
No offence taken at all and I don't think that. What I said was I wasn't clear from my research online what we could expect.
April to October sounds about right, they have had them on for longer I think, hence my using that as a reference for the amount of time needed.
The prices do differ from area to area, of course I hoped there'd be a bit more in it for access to grazing, 20 acres seems a lot to me. It might not be to you and I am new to this so I am finding my feet, hence my joining and asking the questions.
There is demand for it and yes we are going to include water within whatever is agreed.
April to October sounds about right, they have had them on for longer I think, hence my using that as a reference for the amount of time needed.
The prices do differ from area to area, of course I hoped there'd be a bit more in it for access to grazing, 20 acres seems a lot to me. It might not be to you and I am new to this so I am finding my feet, hence my joining and asking the questions.
There is demand for it and yes we are going to include water within whatever is agreed.
Is it the norm to only pay half down with you? Up here you pay in full before you open the gate.
- Location
- Yorkshire
I suppose it's what you are comfortable with. We know them, so it would be hopefully a solid arrangement.
- Location
- Yorkshire
This is true, we are looking to do this with someone who is reponsible and would be in a good working relationship, not a random person using the land. We just wanted a ballpark figure as it may be that we come to an agreement based on other benefits not just financial.
The figures vary wildly and we are trying to weigh it up against doing it ourselves on a larger scale I suppose.
- Location
- South Lanarkshire
Seems about right
- Location
- Ceredigion
I had one who had a 10 acre field . Ended up with one animal in it . Explain that one [emoji848]
And if its someone he don't know and he puts sheep in is he supposed to count the sheep every week to make sure he's not taking the pee . Mistrust sets in . OK you could have a set number of head for the year . But thats no different to per acre is it
In all my years if farming around here I have never come across summer lets on a headache base
Only sheep in winter . But I ditch that idea as to complicated. My man pays me a lump sum for the winter and does what he likes. He never overstocks [emoji3]
- Location
- Ceredigion
I to soft i suppose . But probably originally a tack sheep way . Man pays half up front . Land owner keeps an eye on the sheep so none are lost . Any lost come off the end payment so it encourages the land owner to take good care of them
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
That makes sense.. I overstock, so $2/day is just alright
- Location
- Ceredigion
Local traditions i suppose . Some things never change , which ain't a bad thing reallyThat makes sense.. I overstock, so $2/day is just alright
- Location
- West Wales
I’ve rented some land near me for 4 years on a headache basis, I had 35 in a field last year but 5 came home because they had dead lambs and went back 7-10 days later, I didn’t take their time off the cheque but then when 1 ram went there for 21 days I was asked to pay for it
There’s 150 ewes there almost all year so not like the ram was a good % of the cost.Apart from winter tack I’d never do anything on a headache basis again, it’s a nightmare to follow if it’s to the individual animal, I know someone near you Derrick who you’d know who said they pay to the nearest 10 sheep
Thank you for replying.
Fences need some work, as do the walls - we can deal with that.
A yearly agreement - if agreeable. so grazing for March to Nov say.
I pay for the water. They could of course contribute towards this as part of the payment presumably?
Yes...bloody footpaths
Yes only cows
2 big fields we think.
It would be sensible to decide how many fields you have.
And the best way would be to let any grazing you have through your local Auction Mart. A local paper or the Farmers' Guardian will include their adverts.
The top price is not always the best return
You want a trusted genuine farmer that’s local and will look after it like it’s his own
Also its 20 acre of grass, it will not get you rich or give a good return on investment farming it, it’s more important to retain good farming practice and keep it worth something
You want a trusted genuine farmer that’s local and will look after it like it’s his own
Also its 20 acre of grass, it will not get you rich or give a good return on investment farming it, it’s more important to retain good farming practice and keep it worth something