Great article in The Times

Northern territory

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Livestock Farmer
Isn’t any subsidy fundamentally flawed though. How long do any of them last. Feed in tariffs didn’t last long. It’s what’s popular at the time. Trouble with tree planting is it costs a lot of money to return it to productive land.
 
I think many now are looking for blokes to stamp their mark and move things forwards.
That is true quite possibly. The issue is (and I’ve been there, we used to manage several thousand sheep for other estates) you are once again reliant on the whims of the estate owner and their latest manager. I would prefer a share farming / joint venture, at least I’d have something of my own!
 

serf

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Location
warwickshire
Hmmm. Lost count of the many threads on here that expect land owners to rent land to roving livestock farmers for nowt. Looks like they will be choosing something that pays better.
Oh well. Tin hat at the ready.........
We don't know that he is renting it for 'nowt' he may well be paying on par with the money from the silly scheme , added in that the land is kept farmable and the value that will add to the land in years to come is immeasurable.
 

delilah

Member
We clearly need more actual science to replace some beliefs with fact.

The science is all out there. Our problem is this: When the NFU or AHDB are attacked, about anything, their default mode is to apologize. It is all we ever do. We apologize, we accept that we are at fault, we promise to try harder to be good. It isn't what I pay subs and levies for. I want my representative bodies to use the science that is in our favour and attack, attack, attack.
 

Tim W

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Wiltshire
I've been doing the grazier thing for 20+ years and i know what it's like to have the land pulled out from under you ----there's no easy answer in the present farming scenario
And the situation is unlikely to change whilst
1) we encourage short term farming strategies
2) we reward land ownership with direct payments and tax breaks

I have always held the optimistic view that the new (of the time) govt policy change would swing in favour of sensible land use in partnerships between owners & farmers ---but as someone told me quite recently ''mate, you've been saying that for all your working life and you're still in the same shithole'' :banghead:
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Did I say nowt? No need to be a knob jockey. This has nothing to do with the price of land, it is about shafting people in favour of ill thought through Instagram friendly nonsense.
And no need to be rude either. Have a browse through the " How much to rent land threads ? " on here.
Invariably they end with the idea that livestock farmers should pay f**k all rent. Looks like re wilding could pay better.
What goes around, comes around.
 
The home farm of one of the “radical rewilding” advisors now here, one of the ones telling them how animal ag is bad and in particular sheep 😂
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OK. I'm out.
I'm sorry you've lost your block of land.
Don’t take offence...... you just made a pointless comment looking for a rise, got one and didn’t like it. I fully accept your point about land value and following the money. But this is a much more far reaching worry, further reaching than my irritation at my life being destroyed. This is a massive con which is all about self promotion and image. One which is going to damage the rural culture and community.

Let’s face it we aren’t wanted in the countryside, they want no farmers, keepers, hunters. They want it to be a lovely country park where they can walk fluffy the cockerpoo on a harness and maybe see a beaver. Then go home to their nice big rural house with horse paddocks called “somethingorother farm”, “keepers cottage” or “huntsmans lodge”, get Alexa to run them a bath and do the lights and tuck in to imported food. No inconvenient livestock in the way, and no smelly farmers.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

  • 0 %

    Votes: 81 42.2%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 68 35.4%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 30 15.6%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 7 3.6%

Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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