Green Belt / AONB planning rights

[greenwellies]

Hi all,

My partner and I have recently taken on just over 70 acres. The land is located in a 'highly sensitive' area in Green Belt and AONB designations.

The land has no buildings. We were aware that this was going to be a big challenge for us but we are going forward optimistically and hoping that we can get permission for some sheds eventually as we are planning on keeping a suckler herd.

According to the planning advisor we consulted, we would have to apply for permission to put up any kind of structure. (We have both worked in agriculture for some years but are new entrants and starting the business from scratch, so have no accounts to show that the business is viable at this stage, which among other things prevents us from being able to put up a building straight away.)

She suggested that we should try and rent something for cattle housing over winter, but there is nothing suitable on the market at the moment and we would obviously rather keep them on the land. We will also be wanting somewhere to store hay, machinery etc.

Can anyone please advise on permitted development rights/temporary agricultural buildings? The situation seems like we will need to show our business viability for about a year before getting permission for any buildings, even temporary ones, can anyone shine some light on whether or not this is the case?

Many thanks for any suggestions.

 

[midlandslad]

Hi all,

My partner and I have recently taken on just over 70 acres. The land is located in a 'highly sensitive' area in Green Belt and AONB designations.

The land has no buildings. We were aware that this was going to be a big challenge for us but we are going forward optimistically and hoping that we can get permission for some sheds eventually as we are planning on keeping a suckler herd.

According to the planning advisor we consulted, we would have to apply for permission to put up any kind of structure. (We have both worked in agriculture for some years but are new entrants and starting the business from scratch, so have no accounts to show that the business is viable at this stage, which among other things prevents us from being able to put up a building straight away.)

She suggested that we should try and rent something for cattle housing over winter, but there is nothing suitable on the market at the moment and we would obviously rather keep them on the land. We will also be wanting somewhere to store hay, machinery etc.

Can anyone please advise on permitted development rights/temporary agricultural buildings? The situation seems like we will need to show our business viability for about a year before getting permission for any buildings, even temporary ones, can anyone shine some light on whether or not this is the case?

Many thanks for any suggestions.

Where are you based?

 

[betweenthelines]

Put up a "temporary" building-I'm sure the TFF collective or a planning specialist can advise you.


Perhaps some old portacabins or cargo containers, a polytunnel or even a s/h marquee!

 

[steveR]

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[Werzle]

I wonder how big a shed can be built on skids

 

[steveR]

I wonder how big a shed can be built on skids

Just needs a big skid!!!

 

[T Hectares]

Hi all,

My partner and I have recently taken on just over 70 acres. The land is located in a 'highly sensitive' area in Green Belt and AONB designations.

The land has no buildings. We were aware that this was going to be a big challenge for us but we are going forward optimistically and hoping that we can get permission for some sheds eventually as we are planning on keeping a suckler herd.

According to the planning advisor we consulted, we would have to apply for permission to put up any kind of structure. (We have both worked in agriculture for some years but are new entrants and starting the business from scratch, so have no accounts to show that the business is viable at this stage, which among other things prevents us from being able to put up a building straight away.)

She suggested that we should try and rent something for cattle housing over winter, but there is nothing suitable on the market at the moment and we would obviously rather keep them on the land. We will also be wanting somewhere to store hay, machinery etc.

Can anyone please advise on permitted development rights/temporary agricultural buildings? The situation seems like we will need to show our business viability for about a year before getting permission for any buildings, even temporary ones, can anyone shine some light on whether or not this is the case?

Many thanks for any suggestions.

I’m no planning expert but I manage a farm in an AONB, its a real pain !!
There is no permitted development in an AONB and yes you will need to prove a business need, we’ve had to do a lot of work to justify our applications, but ours have been redevelopment rather than a green field site
Our AONB is keen on promoting tourism and leisure activities and will help those applications, but a greenfield site for a new AG business will undoubtedly require a lot of planning work, have you contacted your local AONB ?? We have good relations with ours and they are good to have on side to support the application
Our local planning authority only has about two people working there so don’t expect any permission quickly, typically it can take us 1.5 years to get anywhere so renting may be a good move in the meantime !!

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Hi @greenwellies, unfortunately you have two significant land designations that restrict development with the AONB being the higher designation.
You will need to provide a substantial application with justification, need and mitigation. Please feel free to drop me an email - [email protected] - and we can try to advise on your specific situation.

 

[Farmer1001]

Where are you located?

 

[ajcc]

Farm it first without a shed, but AONB is a designation for a reason. Taking on ground in AONB then immediately looking for ways to circumvent development regulations will not gain universal approval. A certain sympathy maybe but the planning laws are for general benefit.

 

[onthehoof]

Perhaps some old portacabins or cargo containers, a polytunnel or even a s/h marquee

Hmmm
You think they will allow old portacabins or shipping containers in an AONB??

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Hmmm
You think they will allow old portacabins or shipping containers in an AONB??

I certainly wouldn't suggest it!

 

[B R C]

We are in AONB and no one seems to have any trouble getting planning for buildings under 28 day ag rules, admittedly these would all be adding to existing units rather than new sites. Why don’t you try for a hay barn under those rules to store the produce from the land. Cheap and easy to apply yourself, you don’t need an agent, see what happens.

 

[bobk]

2 chances , no hope and bob hope

 

[betweenthelines]

Hmmm
You think they will allow old portacabins or shipping containers in an AONB??

Think you'll find that they don't need PP (certainly the shipping containers don't)

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Think you'll find that they don't need PP (certainly the shipping containers don't)

If they are to have some permanence they will need Planning Permission

 

[Pinnfield]

Put a line of pig tents on it and fill them up with weaners, then after a couple of years put in for pp for what you want and agree to get rid of the tents.

 

[Rod Dumbreck]

We are AONB and put up a cattle shed on a notification. Admittedly there are other buildings around, but we had pp to convert the old barns for a house so thus was in a field away from the old farmyard.

There was a bit of chuntering from the parish, (we did have to submit accounts), but I think if it is "reasonably necessary for the purposes of agriculture" then you should get a fair hearing. The 400m from any other dwelling issue is a sticking point for livestock buildings, and I think they can argue about the form, so in my application I said I was happy to have it anywhere on the farm, but I had chosen x because.... and any colour that a competent authority would propose was better than grey and green.

Our shipping container has never been queried, of course its temporary!

 

[Wombat]

We are AONB and put up a cattle shed on a notification. Admittedly there are other buildings around, but we had pp to convert the old barns for a house so thus was in a field away from the old farmyard.

There was a bit of chuntering from the parish, (we did have to submit accounts), but I think if it is "reasonably necessary for the purposes of agriculture" then you should get a fair hearing. The 400m from any other dwelling issue is a sticking point for livestock buildings, and I think they can argue about the form, so in my application I said I was happy to have it anywhere on the farm, but I had chosen x because.... and any colour that a competent authority would propose was better than grey and green.

Our shipping container has never been queried, of course its temporary!

Nothing better than making the parish chunter it’s my annual sport

 

[mylandshipping]

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