Growing linseed after linseed

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Growing back to back linseed is not a good idea for all of the reasons already mentioned, however fusarium becomes a major issues when linseed is grown in tight rotations. While some varieties carry fusarium resistance genes, a 1 in 4 rotation or wider is recommended.
 

Simon Chiles

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Growing back to back linseed is not a good idea for all of the reasons already mentioned, however fusarium becomes a major issues when linseed is grown in tight rotations. While some varieties carry fusarium resistance genes, a 1 in 4 rotation or wider is recommended.

Whilst I agree with what you say many people in the days of a flax subsidy used to grow continuous flax. Years 1 and 2 were good but then the yields declined rapidly until by year 5 you got virtually no yield at all. After set aside, if the fields were particularly dirty, we used to clean them up with two linseed crops in succession. This was mainly because linseed had the advantage of being able to take both grass and blw easily out of the crop. Obviously, once the field was back in production we would then leave it many years before we grew linseed again.
 

Fuzzy

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Arable Farmer
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Bedfordshire
Whilst I agree with what you say many people in the days of a flax subsidy used to grow continuous flax. Years 1 and 2 were good but then the yields declined rapidly until by year 5 you got virtually no yield at all. After set aside, if the fields were particularly dirty, we used to clean them up with two linseed crops in succession. This was mainly because linseed had the advantage of being able to take both grass and blw easily out of the crop. Obviously, once the field was back in production we would then leave it many years before we grew linseed again.
That is my thinking to use it as a double spring break to try and clean up some BG and blw issues. I am not planning on using this method on big acres just on some smaller fields to try and avoid having the whole farm down to spring barley !!!
 

franklin

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That is my thinking to use it as a double spring break to try and clean up some BG and blw issues. I am not planning on using this method on big acres just on some smaller fields to try and avoid having the whole farm down to spring barley !!!

Spring linseed fb spring oats? Could follow the oats with sp barley as the oats are simple to remove. Then OSR after sp barley.
 

Fuzzy

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Arable Farmer
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Bedfordshire
Spring linseed fb spring oats? Could follow the oats with sp barley as the oats are simple to remove. Then OSR after sp barley.
I am trying to come up with another method for serious Blackgrass control that does not include Spring Barley, i have nearly half the farm in Spring barley this year again which is doing a good job. However i can see i probably need 3 spring barleys to get proper control of the problem and i am concerned about issues with chemical resistance building up again.
 

Brisel

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Arable Farmer
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Midlands
Which chemicals? Are you maxing out on the main cereal graminicides available in spring barley like flufenacet, Avadex, Defy etc?

Why does linseed get your attention? Late drilling date?
 

Fuzzy

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Arable Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
Which chemicals? Are you maxing out on the main cereal graminicides available in spring barley like flufenacet, Avadex, Defy etc?

Why does linseed get your attention? Late drilling date?
Yes, late drilling date is a big plus, and it gives me an alternative to OSR which failed here again last year !!
I am aware it can be a tricky crop to grow (moisture) and harvest so i am only thinking of a small acreage again for next year.
 

franklin

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I am trying to come up with another method for serious Blackgrass control that does not include Spring Barley, i have nearly half the farm in Spring barley this year again which is doing a good job. However i can see i probably need 3 spring barleys to get proper control of the problem and i am concerned about issues with chemical resistance building up again.

We seem to be getting on better with the oats. They grow like stink, use no chems, and outyield the barley. Only problem is the straw. My brother is getting on well with the oats following the linseed, and the oats leave the land nice for ploughing. Oats this year drilled 24th April. Post-em BLW spray only.
 

Fuzzy

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Arable Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
We seem to be getting on better with the oats. They grow like stink, use no chems, and outyield the barley. Only problem is the straw. My brother is getting on well with the oats following the linseed, and the oats leave the land nice for ploughing. Oats this year drilled 24th April. Post-em BLW spray only.
Interesting to there is another way !!! Why is the straw a problem ? no one to bale it?
 

franklin

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Spring barley straw is usually fit to bale behind the combine. Oat straw needs about a fortnight. Lots of it. Best thing is that it is *impossible* to spend money on them. FSS, cheap BLW spray, PGR and a cheap mildew / azole.
 

Fuzzy

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Arable Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
It's like spring barley. Lots of sappy bulk that is hard to chop & incorporate.
I get it baled now, no chopping required and a pass with the discearator, with the Fastrac 8310 + krone baler it took him 45 minutes to bale and another 45 to clear one 16 acre field, lets hope he does the same this year !!!
 

franklin

New Member
They are also less fussy about seedbed than the barley.
 

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ajd132

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Arable Farmer
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Suffolk
Are Spring oats a serious contender against Spring barley for BG control. We can sell oats very well through Camgrain and as people have stated before we can't have the whole farm as Spring barley!
 

franklin

New Member
Yes. I reckon the oats compete better; yield better when drilled later; happier on clay; less inputs. Downsides are you are reliant on the oats smothering the BG; have the foul straw to deal with which you may have to just give away; and they are seemingly trickier to sell well. I like them most as they seem to dry out really quick after a shower, which is seemingly quite often.
 
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