Growth regulators

[willy]

Do I dare miss a T0 growth reg out on forward lush winter wheat gravity?

Sprayer out of action and feel forecast is dry and I normally regret spanking the wheat as the weather dries up.

Also feel tight and don't want to spend on contractor while mine is being fixed!

 

[Brisel]

You’ve got Moddus + CCC @ T1 as a fallback position.

 

[ollie989898]

Get something on now. You can reduce rates later if you think it is looking a lot less angry at T1.

The later/other alternatives are more expensive.

 

[B'o'B]

Do I dare miss a T0 growth reg out on forward lush winter wheat gravity?

Sprayer out of action and feel forecast is dry and I normally regret spanking the wheat as the weather dries up.

Also feel tight and don't want to spend on contractor while mine is being fixed!

We rarely use PGRs at all.

What was the seed rate?
How much N so far and how early did you put it on?

I’d be less worried on light land than heavy.

 

[willy]

We rarely use PGRs at all.

What was the seed rate?
How much N so far and how early did you put it on?

I’d be less worried on light land than heavy.

It's a bit of land at Carebybwhich is fairly strong and fertile (for us)

It was drilled last week of October at 200kgs althoght bushel was fairly low but can't remember off the top of my head but was aiming for approx 400 seeds m,
It's had VRN and was the most backward and average n is 140kgs.

 

[Dog]

Has it had any Atlantis or Broadway star, my agronomist says that will act as a growth reg.

 

[willy]

Has it had any Atlantis or Broadway star, my agronomist says that will act as a growth reg.

No for the first time for probably 20 years not.

 

[B'o'B]

It's a bit of land at Carebybwhich is fairly strong and fertile (for us)

It was drilled last week of October at 200kgs althoght bushel was fairly low but can't remember off the top of my head but was aiming for approx 400 seeds m,
It's had VRN and was the most backward and average n is 140kgs.

That’s a pretty strong early N dose and a reasonable seed rate. I’d be inclined to get something on.
As @Brisel says you still have options at T1 if you don’t go now.

 

[willy]

That’s a pretty strong early N dose and a reasonable seed rate. I’d be inclined to get something on.
As @Brisel says you still have options at T1 if you don’t go now.

Do you fancy some contract spraying?

 

[4course]

this is a debate ive had with several including our agronomist, dryish spring not such tall varieties in the main not super early sown, plenty of viable tillers, had atlantis or bs and clean plus has had a foliar feed inc p k p and will get another. Each year weve ended up not agreeing,im leaning towards a later possible moddus as a pass will be missed as fungi already on crops clean so no pressure to go

 

[Steevo]

Mine had Atlantis last week, followed by CCC/Moddus this last week gone. Always like doing growth reg at T0 and T1. Up to 150kgN so far, and similar seed rate to yours yet (direct) drilled beginning of Oct.

Much prefer cheap CCC/Moddus early than Canopy or such later.

 

[bobk]

We've got a free growth regulator at the mo , the weather .

 

[B'o'B]

Do you fancy some contract spraying?

How many hectares? Im not really looking for the work, but could help out if needs be. How does that land travel? I’m on my rowcrops now at 9.5/48’s, I’ve never taken it on cultivated land so unsure how she’d travel if I came to a soft spot!

 

[willy]

How many hectares? Im not really looking for the work, but could help out if needs be. How does that land travel? I’m on my rowcrops now at 9.5/48’s, I’ve never taken it on cultivated land so unsure how she’d travel if I came to a soft spot!

Thanks BoB, got Griff coming but thanks for the offer.

 

[ollie989898]

People need to understand what these materials actually do. No amount of frost is going to make a very forward and leggy crop less likely to tip. These early materials stiffen the stems, walk through a crop at T2 and brush it over with your hand. The difference between a PGR'ed crop and one with none is easy to feel.

Do it little and often. Some at T0 and then a bit more at T1. Use your judgement on what is in front of you at the time, dont just chuck it in the tank regardless.

Atlantis can slow a crop but again something weak strawed will stay weak strawed.

Your biggest PGR is nitrogen. I bet too many people are putting that on using nothing but a calendar and what they used last year.

 

[willy]

People need to understand what these materials actually do. No amount of frost is going to make a very forward and leggy crop less likely to tip. These early materials stiffen the stems, walk through a crop at T2 and brush it over with your hand. The difference between a PGR'ed crop and one with none is easy to feel.

Do it little and often. Some at T0 and then a bit more at T1. Use your judgement on what is in front of you at the time, dont just chuck it in the tank regardless.

Atlantis can slow a crop but again something weak strawed will stay weak strawed.

Your biggest PGR is nitrogen. I bet too many people are putting that on using nothing but a calendar and what they used last year.

Correct except nitrogen, is very dependent on weather going forward and in the east we tend to miss the rain from the south and from the north and it runs out coming from the west generally. So for me I get best results from earlier n application, but yes I agree regards pgrs.

 

[B'o'B]

People need to understand what these materials actually do. No amount of frost is going to make a very forward and leggy crop less likely to tip. These early materials stiffen the stems, walk through a crop at T2 and brush it over with your hand. The difference between a PGR'ed crop and one with none is easy to feel.

Do it little and often. Some at T0 and then a bit more at T1. Use your judgement on what is in front of you at the time, dont just chuck it in the tank regardless.

Atlantis can slow a crop but again something weak strawed will stay weak strawed.

Your biggest PGR is nitrogen. I bet too many people are putting that on using nothing but a calendar and what they used last year.

The thing with PGRs in wheat is that unless the crop would have fallen over without them they are likely to cost you yield and they will definitely cost you money.

 

[4course]

People need to understand what these materials actually do. No amount of frost is going to make a very forward and leggy crop less likely to tip. These early materials stiffen the stems, walk through a crop at T2 and brush it over with your hand. The difference between a PGR'ed crop and one with none is easy to feel.

Do it little and often. Some at T0 and then a bit more at T1. Use your judgement on what is in front of you at the time, dont just chuck it in the tank regardless.

Atlantis can slow a crop but again something weak strawed will stay weak strawed.

Your biggest PGR is nitrogen. I bet too many people are putting that on using nothing but a calendar and what they used last year.

weve found atlantis and ccc/moddus around the same time knocks the crop in less than ideal growing conditions ,problem is we dont know what the weather will do going forward and very few years are ideal plus if you leave too big a gap neither work as well

 

[ollie989898]

The thing with PGRs in wheat is that unless the crop would have fallen over without them they are likely to cost you yield and they will definitely cost you money.

A bit of CCC costs zippo and you arent going to bodge yield with just that unless you are really ham fisted it is.

 

[B'o'B]

A bit of CCC costs zippo and you arent going to bodge yield with just that unless you are really ham fisted it is.

You can take the boy out of agronomy, but you can’t take the agronomist out of the boy!

We hear too often that it costs hardly anything so you may as well chuck some in the tank, you’ll be going through with the sprayer anyway.
No you won’t stuff the yield with a bit of CCC, but the data shows a trend of a slight yield penalty when PGRs are used, it might only rarely be statistically significant but the trend is there.