Guns on farms

[Dry Rot]

Bet this came keen !

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1847342365421701&id=190759221080032

That is in America. I have seen far worse on Youtube.

"The measure of civilsation is the people's laws and how they are administered". You need to make allowances when a country has not yet achieved civilisation.

But there is no need to go to the USA to find racialism. It is a lot closer to home.

 

[Lowland1]

That is in America. I have seen far worse on Youtube.

"The measure of civilsation is the people's laws and how they are administered". You need to make allowances when a country has not yet achieved civilisation.

But there is no need to go to the USA to find racialism. It is a lot closer to home.

Racism is everywhere however when you see things like this you actually understand why the whole Black Lives Matter thing is so important in the US. The U.S basically has a paramilitary police force and policing and justice is based on punishment rather than education. Around 1 in every 150 people in the U.S is in jail or 25% of the world prison population is in jail in the U.S and when you remember there are countries like Russia and China around that would worry me if I was in America.
With regard to racist Dogs we have had several here over the years but some didn't like white people and others didn't like black people what I would say is they sense people who don't like Dogs and like to worry them a bit. We have a Ridgeback and he is enormous and pathetic our Jack Russell beats him up.

 

[som farmer]

I sometimes feel that racialism, is increased by all the legislation that's meant to stop it !
But, crime in the countryside, a serious and increasing problem, to which the police play lipservice to, simply saying the 'right' words. And all that does, is give a green light to the scum, to carry on. That is not a nice thought, but a clear sign, to us, we are on our own ! How much crime, are we prepared to put up with ? Its pretty obvious the problem is going to increase, and, as farmers, we are sitting ducks ! So what can we do ? How far can we go in protecting our property ? There are some real nasty scum out there, if we act, and confront them, someone is going to get seriously injured, how far can we go, if either/or ourselves or family are physically threatened, or even attacked ? Its no use ringing 999, you would have to be really lucky to get a rapid response, other than that, the police are useless. This is a problem, that really needs answers, I asked a cop once, his answer, dial 999, and we will respond immediately, and couldn't understand my negative response.

 

[unlacedgecko]

I sometimes feel that racialism, is increased by all the legislation that's meant to stop it !
But, crime in the countryside, a serious and increasing problem, to which the police play lipservice to, simply saying the 'right' words. And all that does, is give a green light to the scum, to carry on. That is not a nice thought, but a clear sign, to us, we are on our own ! How much crime, are we prepared to put up with ? Its pretty obvious the problem is going to increase, and, as farmers, we are sitting ducks ! So what can we do ? How far can we go in protecting our property ? There are some real nasty scum out there, if we act, and confront them, someone is going to get seriously injured, how far can we go, if either/or ourselves or family are physically threatened, or even attacked ? Its no use ringing 999, you would have to be really lucky to get a rapid response, other than that, the police are useless. This is a problem, that really needs answers, I asked a cop once, his answer, dial 999, and we will respond immediately, and couldn't understand my negative response.

Post Tony Martin chief constable of Norfolk police advised that people should keep pots and pans in their bedroom. That way if a burglar breaks in while you're in need you can bang the pans together and scare them off.

We need a radical overhaul of self defense and firearms law, making it legal to use lethal force in defense of property. Foot paths all need fenced off and routed away from yards and steadings, that way trespassers can easily be identified and dealt with accordingly.

Fück all chance of the above happening though, so as soon as I've the cash you won't see me for dust.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Racism is everywhere however when you see things like this you actually understand why the whole Black Lives Matter thing is so important in the US. The U.S basically has a paramilitary police force and policing and justice is based on punishment rather than education. Around 1 in every 150 people in the U.S is in jail or 25% of the world prison population is in jail in the U.S and when you remember there are countries like Russia and China around that would worry me if I was in America.
With regard to racist Dogs we have had several here over the years but some didn't like white people and others didn't like black people what I would say is they sense people who don't like Dogs and like to worry them a bit. We have a Ridgeback and he is enormous and pathetic our Jack Russell beats him up.

No racism in that video. The men in each end of the dog were both black.

 

[roscoe erf]

Had a black lab like that, soft as you like until it saw one, then just went completely mental, fortunately not many round these parts

we had a black lab in the 70's called nigger he was a great gun dog

 

[ollie989898]

The culture and nature of police training in America is vastly different to the UK.

 

[toquark]

The culture and nature of police training in America is vastly different to the UK.

It needs to be. When a cop pulls someone over in the US, he has a very good reason to suspect that that person will be armed. UK officers do not face this risk to anything like the same extent.

 

[lloyd]

Post Tony Martin chief constable of Norfolk police advised that people should keep pots and pans in their bedroom. That way if a burglar breaks in while you're in need you can bang the pans together and scare them off.

We need a radical overhaul of self defense and firearms law, making it legal to use lethal force in defense of property. Foot paths all need fenced off and routed away from yards and steadings, that way trespassers can easily be identified and dealt with accordingly.

Fück all chance of the above happening though, so as soon as I've the cash you won't see me for dust.

I've always liked the idea of trip wires with thunder flashes and sirens.
Trouble is the wife and kids will end up frightening the living hell out of
the neighbours .
Second thoughts just send in the wife and kids ,the little one is good at
climbing up my back and strangling me,whilst the older daughter will distract
by asking 101 questions.

 

[Hard Graft]

we had a black lab in the 70's called nigger he was a great gun dog

parents best friend had one called nigger too
though all our labs are named after birds in Irish Gaelic. one was iolar (eagle) but grandfather use to shoot with quite a few Arabs and they use to get very cross as he was swearing at "Allah"

 

[Lowland1]

No racism in that video. The men in each end of the dog were both black.

Does n't matter the issue is excessive force from a Police Force that is trained to use force instead of reason. I lived and worked in the States for 18 months and mainly in the Southern States like Tennessee and Florida and have a pretty good idea of what goes on. Likewise with regard to Guns if someone is in your yard at night in Lincolnshire he is unlikely to be armed if you confront him with a gun and he gets shot you are in big trouble. In U.K your gun is for shooting rabbits or pheasants not self defence whatever people may think. In the States it's all different for boths guns and racism anyone living in U.K who thinks different should spend a bit of time there.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Does n't matter the issue is excessive force from a Police Force that is trained to use force instead of reason. I lived and worked in the States for 18 months and mainly in the Southern States like Tennessee and Florida and have a pretty good idea of what goes on. Likewise with regard to Guns if someone is in your yard at night in Lincolnshire he is unlikely to be armed if you confront him with a gun and he gets shot you are in big trouble. In U.K your gun is for shooting rabbits or pheasants not self defence whatever people may think. In the States it's all different for boths guns and racism anyone living in U.K who thinks different should spend a bit of time there.

Yes.

This is why in the previous post I said the UK needs a radical overhaul of firearms and self defence laws. Castle doctrine and stand your ground laws the states call it.

 

[Kidds]

I can think of three occasions I have found uninvited strangers in my house. As much as it annoyed me it would have been totally wrong to have shot them.
Then another I didn’t find, it would have been completely appropriate.
Very difficult to have a blanket rule about shooting burglars but I think as far as that goes we are just about in the right place.

 

[ollie989898]

It needs to be. When a cop pulls someone over in the US, he has a very good reason to suspect that that person will be armed. UK officers do not face this risk to anything like the same extent.

This is the issue: a routine traffic stop has the potential to go from 0 to 100% lethal, possibly resulting in the death of one or even both parties in the event. 'Freedom' I believe it is called.

 

[Lowland1]

Yes.

This is why in the previous post I said the UK needs a radical overhaul of firearms and self defence laws. Castle doctrine and stand your ground laws the states call it.

I am not sure about that. How would you determine who is capable of handling a Gun in a high pressure situation and what Guns would be considered suitable for self defence. Generally the U.K population is peaceful and law abiding the fact that a household is now armed may deter someone bent on robbery or it may just raise the stakes a bit in that if 'I'm off robbing tonight I'd better take a Gun because Mr Smith at no 12 may be packing heat.' It would be hard to arm some of the population and not others. It was hard enough getting a set of Kitchen Knives from Asda in Lincoln for my 18 year old daughter when She was off to University. 'Yes you can buy them but she can't have them '. Obviously there is always some nutter who wants to stab people but the vast majority just need knives to chop their vegetables. So I can only see Gun ownership in U.K declining.

 

[ollie989898]

Yes.

This is why in the previous post I said the UK needs a radical overhaul of firearms and self defence laws. Castle doctrine and stand your ground laws the states call it.

How would you reform the gun laws here?

I don't think the country would need a drastic rise in gun ownership- the average Brit can't drive a car properly or be trusted to handle table cutlery safely. You want a couple of million glocks on the streets? Birmingham would rival Basra for violence in about 6 months I reckon.

Even the slightest road rage incident would turn into a murder. You get home from work and find the wife being boffed by a neighbour- boom boom- boom boom, double taps to the sternum of both. We don't have the prison space.

Furthermore, the idea that Americans are some how safer is a myth- any reputable criminal is surely able to obtain a weapon as easy as any home owner. Therefore he will be more inclined to commit burglary whilst being tooled up himself. If he believes the home owner is more likely to shoot in self-defence he is probably going to be more inclined to shoot first as well. Do you want to be a victim of robbery or a murder?

 

[Dry Rot]

Just what is the law if you are burgled and the dog attacks the burglar on it's own initiative? And is it any different in Scotland?

I know that if livestock strays onto your land and your dog attacks them, it is not an offence -- unless the dog was deliberately set on the stock. So the law seems to accept that a dog can use it's own initiative to some extent. But is it different when the "stray" is human?

I sold a setter to a couple who later reported that they had gone out for the evening leaving the dog in the house. They came home to hear barking. Inside they found a very relieved burglar lying on the kitchen floor. He said, "Thank goodness you've come. Every time I try to get up, the dog bites me!"

 

[Lowland1]

A girl needs a gun these days
On account of all the rattlesnakes

Like one of these.

 

[unlacedgecko]

How would you reform the gun laws here?

I don't think the country would need a drastic rise in gun ownership- the average Brit can't drive a car properly or be trusted to handle table cutlery safely. You want a couple of million glocks on the streets? Birmingham would rival Basra for violence in about 6 months I reckon.

Even the slightest road rage incident would turn into a murder. You get home from work and find the wife being boffed by a neighbour- boom boom- boom boom, double taps to the sternum of both. We don't have the prison space.

Furthermore, the idea that Americans are some how safer is a myth- any reputable criminal is surely able to obtain a weapon as easy as any home owner. Therefore he will be more inclined to commit burglary whilst being tooled up himself. If he believes the home owner is more likely to shoot in self-defence he is probably going to be more inclined to shoot first as well. Do you want to be a victim of robbery or a murder?

Make it legal to own handguns for self defence.

Change licencing do the police have to show good reason to refuse any licence. All guns (shotgun, rifle and pistol) covered by 1 licence.

Do away with the onerous and needless system of firearms licence conditions. If you own a firearm you can use it to use lethal force in defence of yourself, your property and others.

Bring in stand your ground and castle doctrine laws. I don't want to be a victim of a robbery or a murder. I want the legally protected ability to defend myself from both crimes using deadly force with a firearm. That's not the case currently.

I'm fit and healthy and confident (arrogant?) in my abilities, but if 2 or 3 men come in my yard with bats all I can legally do is watch them take what they want. I'd much rather the legal situation allowed me to double tap the lot.

 

[milkloss]

Two things I take a very wide berth of when I'm out and about: coppers with dogs and coppers with guns.