Guy Smith at Stratford market

Current system works very well and status quo should be maintained.

Everything that has been proposed to replace current subs has already been tried in the past and thus was found not to work for various reasons.
Really?
Why would you say the current system is better than the FHDS grants of the 70's/80's? I was a bit young to understand things back then but I've always thought it a great idea, to help those who want to get on.
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
Current system works very well and status quo should be maintained.

Everything that has been proposed to replace current subs has already been tried in the past and thus was found not to work for various reasons.
How old are you .
If I didn't know better I would think you need putting out to pasture. I have spent most of my life claiming sub but that don't make it right does it
If my son don't want the farm I will be selling up eventually. But please offer him something better than your stuck in the past view
 
Location
Devon
Really?
Why would you say the current system is better than the FHDS grants of the 70's/80's? I was a bit young to understand things back then but I've always thought it a great idea, to help those who want to get on.

All that happens with grant schemes is that the price of things like drainage/ new sheds etc go up by the same % as what the grant money will be ( ie say its a 1000 cost and the grant will cover 50% of this the drainage will suddenly go upto 1500 )

Another simple fact is that farmers will not invest in things like drainage/s sheds etc unless the core business they are in ( ie say milk/ beef/ lamb production ) is profitable.

Have been a few water catchment grants near here in recent years, most of them have ended up going to non farmers who own farms to cover their yards, these sheds are now being converted into houses/ storage faster than you can blink an eye!

Area payments work well as they buffer farmers from low prices/ bad weather years like 2012, if subs go then you will see the industry in a state not seen since the 1930's with millions of jobs destroyed and people being driven from the land alongside millions of jobs in the supply industry.
 
Location
Devon
How old are you .
If I didn't know better I would think you need putting out to pasture. I have spent most of my life claiming sub but that don't make it right does it
If my son don't want the farm I will be selling up eventually. But please offer him something better than your stuck in the past view

Well what ideas do you have??
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
All that happens with grant schemes is that the price of things like drainage/ new sheds etc go up by the same % as what the grant money will be ( ie say its a 1000 cost and the grant will cover 50% of this the drainage will suddenly go upto 1500 )

Another simple fact is that farmers will not invest in things like drainage/s sheds etc unless the core business they are in ( ie say milk/ beef/ lamb production ) is profitable.

Have been a few water catchment grants near here in recent years, most of them have ended up going to non farmers who own farms to cover their yards, these sheds are now being converted into houses/ storage faster than you can blink an eye!

Area payments work well as they buffer farmers from low prices/ bad weather years like 2012, if subs go then you will see the industry in a state not seen since the 1930's with millions of jobs destroyed and people being driven from the land alongside millions of jobs in the supply industry.
there is something in that, some of these grant jobs are abused more than the BPS is
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
All that happens with grant schemes is that the price of things like drainage/ new sheds etc go up by the same % as what the grant money will be ( ie say its a 1000 cost and the grant will cover 50% of this the drainage will suddenly go upto 1500 )

Another simple fact is that farmers will not invest in things like drainage/s sheds etc unless the core business they are in ( ie say milk/ beef/ lamb production ) is profitable.

Have been a few water catchment grants near here in recent years, most of them have ended up going to non farmers who own farms to cover their yards, these sheds are now being converted into houses/ storage faster than you can blink an eye!

Area payments work well as they buffer farmers from low prices/ bad weather years like 2012, if subs go then you will see the industry in a state not seen since the 1930's with millions of jobs destroyed and people being driven from the land alongside millions of jobs in the supply industry.
The grants were so lucrative .I don't know if you were around then . But sheds roads drainage fencing costs nothing when grant was claimed . But 1984 the mess was there for everyone to see .enter milk quotas
 

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