Guy Smith's response to FW article on AIC rules.

Grass And Grain

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
The non assured stuff will win as it be leaner, meaner and fitter as it hasn’t spent half it’s time sat in an office getting fat and lazy doing pointless paperwork which no one apart from the red tractor inspector wants to see!
RT inspector has not once ever asked to see my growing crops. Just interested in checking my self-declared records exist.
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
I actually think AHDB are going to inwardly digest what we've been saying. It's smarr to listen, and evolve your policies.

Don't know if NFU can bring themselves to change tact. We'll have to see. They've shown little sign thus far, although Tom Bradshaw gets the issue.

AIC and RT won't want Christmas, but any unwillingness to reform might cause the downfall of our AHDB. They must be mindful of this. That's a heavy weight to carry on your conscience inperpetua.
 

An Gof

Member
Location
Cornwall
I actually think AHDB are going to inwardly digest what we've been saying. It's smarr to listen, and evolve your policies.

Don't know if NFU can bring themselves to change tact. We'll have to see. They've shown little sign thus far, although Tom Bradshaw gets the issue.

AIC and RT won't want Christmas, but any unwillingness to reform might cause the downfall of our AHDB. They must be mindful of this. That's a heavy weight to carry on your conscience inperpetua.

Tom Bradshaw might get the issue but it’s the Queen Bee that’s the problem in eliciting any change in NFU approach to RT.
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
I actually think AHDB are going to inwardly digest what we've been saying. It's smarr to listen, and evolve your policies.

Don't know if NFU can bring themselves to change tact. We'll have to see. They've shown little sign thus far, although Tom Bradshaw gets the issue.

AIC and RT won't want Christmas, but any unwillingness to reform might cause the downfall of our AHDB. They must be mindful of this. That's a heavy weight to carry on your conscience inperpetua.

That's because the ahdb know their days are numbered otherwise.

Infact, I'd go so far as to say their days are numbered anyway. Too late to save face.

I dont understand NFU politics and internals - presumably their financial reserve belongs to the members, and if it's too large for its needs then the members could vote for a distribution.....
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
Iirc it was 1992 when I stopped our Nfu membership , ( after a lot of consideration) its certainly saved us an awful lot if money in that time, coupled with leaving the nfu mutual for insurance a year or 2 after , would certainly buy sports cars if that's what I wanted to indulge myself in but no, I'm not that sort of person....lol.
 
That's because the ahdb know their days are numbered otherwise.

Infact, I'd go so far as to say their days are numbered anyway. Too late to save face.

I dont understand NFU politics and internals - presumably their financial reserve belongs to the members, and if it's too large for its needs then the members could vote for a distribution.....

You can’t because you’d never get the vote approved because of the gravy train riders protecting their cash cow. It’s all a con.
 

An Gof

Member
Location
Cornwall
Iirc it was 1992 when I stopped our Nfu membership , ( after a lot of consideration) its certainly saved us an awful lot if money in that time, coupled with leaving the nfu mutual for insurance a year or 2 after , would certainly buy sports cars if that's what I wanted to indulge myself in but no, I'm not that sort of person....lol.

You should try it, you’re a long time dead
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Tom Bradshaw might get the issue but it’s the Queen Bee that’s the problem in eliciting any change in NFU approach to RT.
We've not heard a peep out of Minette have we.
Don't suppose she'll want to come out from under her duvet, just in case it's not a bad dream.
If you've been hell bent on supporting RT, you look a bit of a fool now it's been pointed out that you've actually been complicit in creating a situation which makes it easier for your competitors to access your home markets.

It's incompetent policy, and it was obvious. It didn't need a genius to work it out.
That's because the ahdb know their days are numbered otherwise.

Infact, I'd go so far as to say their days are numbered anyway. Too late to save face.

I dont understand NFU politics and internals - presumably their financial reserve belongs to the members, and if it's too large for its needs then the members could vote for a distribution.....
They've made the same mistake as NFU (see comments above). Wrong policy, and sleep walked into a mess, putting their levy payers at a competitive disadvantage.

Absolute opposite of what a development board should have achieved.

RT has not given one single advantage to UK farmers. Just extra cost, and diminished market access if you're non-assured.

Then when we look at the RT and SQC ownership structures, members of the SQC cooperative, board members at RT, this turns into conflict of interests.
 

An Gof

Member
Location
Cornwall
We've not heard a peep out of Minette have we.
Don't suppose she'll want to come out from under her duvet, just in case it's not a bad dream.
If you've been hell bent on supporting RT, you look a bit of a fool now it's been pointed out that you've actually been complicit in creating a situation which makes it easier for your competitors to access your home markets.

It's incompetent policy, and it was obvious. It didn't need a genius to work it out.

They've made the same mistake as NFU (see comments above). Wrong policy, and sleep walked into a mess, putting their levy payers at a competitive disadvantage.

Absolute opposite of what a development board should have achieved.

RT has not given one single advantage to UK farmers. Just extra cost, and diminished market access if you're non-assured.

Then when we look at the RT and SQC ownership structures, members of the SQC cooperative, board members at RT, this turns into conflict of interests.

There was a significant conflict of interest whilst Minette was sitting on the main RT board. The position which is a given to represent ALL the farming unions, not just NFU, is now held by Stuart Roberts. It took some considerable time to get Minette to accept the conflict and relinquish the position.
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
There was a significant conflict of interest whilst Minette was sitting on the main RT board. The position which is a given to represent ALL the farming unions, not just NFU, is now held by Stuart Roberts. It took some considerable time to get Minette to accept the conflict and relinquish the position.
I see.

Long term conflict of interest which has manifested itself into more profits for RT, more cost for farmers, and worsening market access.

Wonder if they still think they were doing the right thing, or if they've now realised what a disaster it's turned into.

I wouldn't mind if they came out and discussed it publicly, and got on with deciding what to do about it. But no. Nothing.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Apparently, the new CEO of the NFUM really does not want to lose the core of their business from Farmers, which is... reassuring... I hope.

given he takes millions in salary and bonuses I can totally see why he doesn’t want anything to change !

I can’t recall the number exactly but it’s was over. 2mill for running a company that had lost 143 million that same year …… nice work !
 
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