Guy Smith's response to FW article on AIC rules.

[tullah]

Guy Smith it talking totall ballcocks on that one I’m afraid to say!

Worse still, he knows he's talking ballcocks. When you go face to face with people, especially your
PAID REPRESENTATIVE, whether it be twitter or what ever you expect not to be told ballcocks. There's another more simple word for it and it begins with L and ends with S.

 

[Drillman]

Worse still, he knows he's talking ballcocks. When you go face to face with people, especially your
PAID REPRESENTATIVE, whether it be twitter or what ever you expect not to be told ballcocks. There's another more simple word for it and it begins with L and ends with S.

I do wonder from time to time what the paid representatives of the afore mentioned companies think when they read all this,

In there eyes are we still a bunch of backstabbers spouting off on social media or has the penny dropped with them finally that we have lots of valid arguements?

I would like to hope they are now thinking the latter and are somewhat dismayed about it all, especially as they now can’t get out of the mess there in without some very big U turns, a lot of lost income and many resignations!

If only they had listened to the people who fund there salary in the first place!!!

 

[Bury the Trash]

How much lead was there to kill cows ?
Lead water pipes were common and still used.
As a kid I handled lead most weeks, melting it down and pouring into moulds to make toy soldiers.
I know someone who used to chew air gun pellets for years before his parents realised and stopped him.
No noticeable effects.
So to have killed cows???

well It was a fairly big , not just here ...

[Lead poisoning in cattle in north Netherlands. October 1989-January 1990] - PubMed

By the end of 1989 a serious lead intoxication of cattle occurred in the northern part of the Netherlands (provinces Groningen and Friesland). This intoxication appeared to be caused by contaminated feed. Over 300 farms were stricken, with about 15,500 animals (mostly dairy cattle). In a period...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Iirc It was just another of the ' bad events' of the times.. to which ' apparently ' FAssurance was born .
The irony is that it was in imported feed stuff as was the origin of the 2001 F&Mouth out break which was on a far bigger scale of course .

They were depressing times , I do remember that much, for sure.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

well It was a fairly big , not just here ...

[Lead poisoning in cattle in north Netherlands. October 1989-January 1990] - PubMed

By the end of 1989 a serious lead intoxication of cattle occurred in the northern part of the Netherlands (provinces Groningen and Friesland). This intoxication appeared to be caused by contaminated feed. Over 300 farms were stricken, with about 15,500 animals (mostly dairy cattle). In a period...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Iirc It was just another of the ' bad events' of the times.. to which ' apparently ' FAssurance was born .
The irony is that it was in imported feed stuff as was the origin of the 2001 F&Mouth out break which was on a far bigger scale of course .

They were depressing times , I do remember that much, for sure.

Imported feed sold as farm assured by the beloved trade?

 

[manhill]

How much lead was there to kill cows ?
Lead water pipes were common and still used.
As a kid I handled lead most weeks, melting it down and pouring into moulds to make toy soldiers.
I know someone who used to chew air gun pellets for years before his parents realised and stopped him.
No noticeable effects.
So to have killed cows???

that was how you put lead in your pencil before Viagara!

 

[MrNoo]

Worse still, he knows he's talking ballcocks. When you go face to face with people, especially your
PAID REPRESENTATIVE, whether it be twitter or what ever you expect not to be told ballcocks. There's another more simple word for it and it begins with L and ends with S.

Exactly, then he "blocks" you, I mean, it's the sort of thing teenagers and youngsters do, pathetic

 

[ajd132]

Exactly, then he "blocks" you, I mean, it's the sort of thing teenagers and youngsters do, pathetic

Imagine if a director/chairman or management of any company started blocking people because they don’t like the questioning. It’s shocking.

 

[farmerm]

Imagine if a director/chairman or management of any company started blocking people because they don’t like the questioning. It’s shocking.

Blocking abuse is fair enough but blocking to avoid confronting the truth is just poor show.

Problem for Guy is that because of his profile he has become the joint villain alongside smiling Jim.

There are 16 other directors on board the gravy train, they should all be facing the same heat.

Who We Are: The Red Tractor Team - Red Tractor Assurance

Red Tractor is a not-for-profit company created by farmers and industry leaders in 2000.

assurance.redtractor.org.uk

 

[JP1]

Blocking abuse is fair enough but blocking to avoid confronting the truth is just poor show.

Problem for Guy is that because of his profile he has become the joint villain alongside smiling Jim.

There are 16 other directors on board the gravy train, they should all be facing the same heat.

Who We Are: The Red Tractor Team - Red Tractor Assurance

Red Tractor is a not-for-profit company created by farmers and industry leaders in 2000.

assurance.redtractor.org.uk

Is not part of the problem that Guy Smith has his own Twitter handle but surely he should have and man an official RT one for this discourse (and by implication would find it much more difficult to block those that he just finds awkward)

 

[Henarar]

pity farmers can't just block RT permanently

 

[warksfarmer]

Imagine if a director/chairman or management of any company started blocking people because they don’t like the questioning. It’s shocking.

And that’s exactly why Smithy is finished in the corporate and political world. The blokes out of his depth.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

And that’s exactly why Smithy is finished in the corporate and political world. The blokes out of his depth.

To be fair to him it's an impossible task.

 

[teslacoils]

To be fair to him it's an impossible task.

That pays quite well.

 

[Clive]

Imagine if a director/chairman or management of any company started blocking people because they don’t like the questioning. It’s shocking.

exactly - unacceptable

but i see it as an honour !

 

[SilliamWhale]

To be fair to him it's an impossible task.

Red Tractor doesn't have to be impossible at all.

They can go to the marketplace and get a premium for their members and those who don't want to join don't have to. If they can't get a premium then they shut down like every other business.

 

[Drillman]

Is not part of the problem that Guy Smith has his own Twitter handle but surely he should have and man an official RT one for this discourse (and by implication would find it much more difficult to block those that he just finds awkward)

In fairness an individual who has a private social media account can do whatever they like with it and block anyone and everyone if they so wish,

So really if We need to ask anyone in an official capacity, anything there business profile is the one to use!

If they refuse to answer or block from that account it’s then open season!

 

[farmerm]

Red Tractor doesn't have to be impossible at all.

They can go to the marketplace and get a premium for their members and those who don't want to join don't have to. If they can't get a premium then they shut down like every other business.

As I have said many times in this thread... premiums can only exist when the product occupies the minority of the supply not the majority... when the majority of product is assured it is no longer a premium product, it is the standard product, standard products can never claim to generate a premium but there may be a penalty for product that is considered to be below the standard product... The issue is imports are automatically given parity with assured product, imports should be treated as being of a standard below none assured domestic product and should be penalised accordingly. There is no natural market mechanism for this so assured mills should have to pay a £10/tonne levy on all rubber stamped imports and £5 per tonne on any non assured domestic product they use. This would give the necessary price differential market value to assured grains over imports and none assured product. The collected levy money should be distributed back to assured producers proportionally to their annual assured grain sales. If farm assurance is to survive this is surely the only way to ensure their is any meaningful value in assured grain...

 

[JP1]

In fairness an individual who has a private social media account can do whatever they like with it and block anyone and everyone if they so wish,

So really if We need to ask anyone in an official capacity, anything there business profile is the one to use!

If they refuse to answer or block from that account it’s then open season!

Exactly. You made the points I was trying to make but in a clearer manner

 

[Grass And Grain]

Imagine if a director/chairman or management of any company started blocking people because they don’t like the questioning. It’s shocking.

We're told we've got farmers on the board to represent farmers' interests. Guy has the top job, but has only ever sided with RT. Doesn't even seem to be able to bring himself to admit there's a problem, and work to get a fair solution.

We've got our farmer rep to the top job, but he's not helping the farmers.

This is the provlem with the farmers on the RT board. RT aren't going to want to let me on the board for example, they only want 'yes' men, who won't give them too much hassle. Blenky being a prime example.

Blenky should have listened to farmers and represented them. Instead he badged them as backstabbers. The imports issue came up time and time again at the RT consultations.

How an earth can we get farmers on the board who are not RT fanatics. Anyone who holds a different view to RT won't get the job.

RT farmer board reps need to be farmer elected, omov.

One or two exceptions to the rule of yes men on the boards.

 

[tullah]

As I have said many times in this thread... premiums can only exist when the product occupies the minority of the supply not the majority... when the majority of product is assured it is no longer a premium product, it is the standard product, standard products can never claim to generate a premium but there may be a penalty for product that is considered to be below the standard product... The issue is imports are automatically given parity with assured product, imports should be treated as being of a standard below none assured domestic product and should be penalised accordingly. There is no natural market mechanism for this so assured mills should have to pay a £10/tonne levy on all rubber stamped imports and £5 per tonne on any non assured domestic product they use. This would give the necessary price differential market value to assured grains over imports and none assured product. The collected levy money should be distributed back to assured producers proportionally to their annual assured grain sales. If farm assurance is to survive this is surely the only way to ensure their is any meaningful value in assured grain...

£10 is no good. Needs to be £15 levy.
Or better to keep it simple so there's no possible gravy train and just do away with RT and have a self declaration like imports. Then the lot of them are out of a job.