H&S questions -- grandfather rights and machine testing

[Feldspar]

I thought I understood these points, but now am not so sure:

I understand that you have to have your telehandler checked every 12 months, or every 6 months if using a man basket. What about 360 tracked excavators?

For what activities do grandfather rights still exist? Reading through Farmwise from the HSE, it does appear that there are grandfather rights for chainsaw use if your employees are doing work on your own land and have used a chainsaw since before circa 1998. What about telehandler use, or do you need a training certificate? What about 360 excavator use? What about manual handling?

TIA.

 

[Feldspar]

@Brisel

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

360 needs annual test under LOLER if you use it for lifting, otherwise only if your insurer wants it.

Anything used for commercial lifting (not the same as loading) falls undergo LOLER annual test. Anything used for lifting people needs 6 monthly test.

 

[Feldspar]

360 needs annual test under LOLER if you use it for lifting, otherwise only if your insurer wants it.

Anything used for commercial lifting (not the same as loading) falls undergo LOLER annual test. Anything used for lifting people needs 6 monthly test.

Thanks. Had just found the relevant LOLER bit for 360 diggers.

Any idea on whether seasoned employees need to go on a telehandler course?

 

[7610 super q]

Alright....what if you've got a mate, with a telehandler,who's self employed and just uses it to load grain and straw etc.

 

[Brisel]

If you're lifting people then it falls under LOLER so every 6 months

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Thanks. Had just found the relevant LOLER bit for 360 diggers.

Any idea on whether seasoned employees need to go on a telehandler course?

I'm not sure. My ticket has expired for telehandler, 3CX, 360 and mast forklift. I can prove that I was trained once.

 

[Feldspar]

Alright....what if you've got a mate, with a telehandler,who's self employed and just uses it to load grain and straw etc.

You need it testing for sure, but I think you need a telehandler course too for your insurance if this is correct: http://www.fwi.co.uk/machinery/take-the-test-so-you-ll-avoid-loader-trouble.htm.

This goes into more detail: http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg462.pdf.

 

[7610 super q]

You need it testing for sure, but I think you need a telehandler course too for your insurance if this is correct: http://www.fwi.co.uk/machinery/take-the-test-so-you-ll-avoid-loader-trouble.htm.

This goes into more detail: http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg462.pdf.

Thanks....I'll pass that on to my mate.

 

[Feldspar]

However, extract from the last link:

"Certificates of basic training: There is no legal requirement to issue certificates of basic training, but they provide evidence that operators have received relevant training and achieved an appropriate level of operating ability. The employee will need evidence of training if they change jobs. Note: There is no such thing as a lift-truck ‘licence’."

I think there is one standard for HSE and perhaps another for your insurer. We have the NFU risk people coming out in a few weeks so I will be able to ask all these questions then.

We have one guy who has a certificate. I'm not sure if he can provide basic training to the other guys? All have 30 plus years of experience.

 

[7610 super q]

My mate says f**k it, I'll load by hand.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

There is a difference between what's legally required and what your insurer requires.

Back in my EA days the lifting plant was inspected every 3 months and you'd have a fit at at what was condemmed!

 

[Feldspar]

My mate says fudge it, I'll load by hand.

Make sure you've done your manual handling course then!

 

[7610 super q]

Make sure your mate's done your manual handling course then!

 

[Feldspar]

If you're lifting people then it falls under LOLER so every 6 months

What's your take on telehandler training for people with decades of experience? Do they all need certificates of basic training?

 

[Feldspar]

I think you mean "his"!

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Make sure you've done your manual handling course then!

I drew the line at a "Safe use of ladders" course with annual refreshers

 

[bobk]

If you're self employed anything goes , if you have employees it's a different game and rightly so.

 

[Feldspar]

If you're self employed anything goes , if you have employees it's a different game and rightly so.

Since I've had to get into my "by the book" mentality this evening, that isn't strictly true. On page 1 of the above HSE link on forklift training: "If you are self-employed, you need to do the same type of training, and achieve the same standard, as employers are required to provide to their employees."

 

[bobk]

Since I've had to get into my "by the book" mentality this evening, that isn't strictly true. On page 1 of the above HSE link on forklift training: "If you are self-employed, you need to do the same type of training, and achieve the same standard, as employers are required to provide to their employees."

Theoretically , but you are allowed to kill yourself