Half of England owned by less than 1% of pop.

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
The Guardian article smacks of envy.
There is nothing stopping anyone getting out there and buying as much land as they want, its a free market just dig deep and cut that check.
exactly so.

It glosses over the fact that there's a new class of landowner, who've sussed how to make a pile, and then go and acquire land.
One of the biggest, but less well know (unlike Dyson, he doesn't seek the limelight) started with just about nothing, although curiously he's closely related to some aristos, so maybe it's a genetic trait.

And the envious guardian types don't like to observe that the trad landed classes are just as free to cock it up and lose it. As many have, and continue to do.
 

David.

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
J11 M40
Adding "should be" to the above, If that were so it would be no problem, .
As regards the system in US, I assume the land rates work like in Canada and pay for services within the municipality?
The local Mayor or the Reeve always has to worry about public opinion and getting re elected.
It is slightly different here, with bloated self aggrandising councils, who employ megasalary chief executives and waste fortunes on poorly managed procurement of services and vanity projects, whilst always having Government to blame for lack of money and failing services.
I wouldnt trust them to raise a moderate land rate, and spend it wisely in the local community.
 
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glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
No, I don't think it would work like that.
Secure tenancies have their rent set by the earning capacity of the land, and modern fbt tenancies by the open rental market.
Neither of these allow for what you suggest may happen. Just my 2p!
Charging the tenant the rates would have to be made illegal, otherwise the same situation would occur as happens with shops.
Rates are supposed to be paid by owners, not tenants, thats why half the high streets are boarded up
 

Daddy Pig

Member
Location
dorset
Charging the tenant the rates would have to be made illegal, otherwise the same situation would occur as happens with shops.
Rates are supposed to be paid by owners, not tenants, thats why half the high streets are boarded up
in England its the tenant who pays the business rates
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
So if it was £30 per ha it would be nothing to a multithousand poultry unit on 5 aces but could ruin a hill farm with 3000 acres of moorland.

So then you need to set up a government department to map, register assess and allow people to appeal, all costing millions of pounds.

All to collect a few hundred quid off your average farmer.

Why not save the expense and be honest and just stick it on income tax?
 

Martin Holden

Member
Trade
Location
Cheltenham
It’ll matter if labour ever get into power
Slap a Land Tax in the landowners straight away
Twunts
Be the death knell of UK farming if ever that happened
That’s always the thought but looking back farming has always done well under Labour administrations down the years. Maybe there were other factors at those times that favoured farming. Jim Callaghan was a farmer from memory - not much of a PM, but then how many PM’s of the last 50 years could said to have been good? (Maggie as an exception although she divided the nation as does Corbyn now) My fear is that JC is very left wing and hence the post I presume
 

Pond digger

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
Location
East Yorkshire
Interesting but not conclusive. Just look at the US where there is a land tax......
Income tax does not stop people working
Wages have not risen to pay for income tax
Just saying like
Personally taxing work seems a bit extreme to me.
Tax a capital asset seems pretty fair.

Land tax takes no account of the ability to pay, at least without selling the asset.
 

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