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Pasty

Member
Location
Devon
Agree with Turbo. It's a load of rubbish. We are leaving and we have to negotiate a deal. There is no hard or soft. The only soft option is to stay in but at a huge disadvantage or to go for the classic left wing option of laying your cards on the table before you start negotiating.

rubbish to all of that. We are leaving. Let's get a deal and let's make it a good one. Hopefully for us AND them. If the EU want to behave like petulant children then while it would be no surprise, it will only harm them in the long run.

Best thing the EU could do is send Junker away for a long holiday. He reminds me of Jean-Marie Balestre in many ways. A corrupt lunatic who has somehow found his way to a position of great power. A damaging force who will go down as an unfortunate foot note in European history.
 
Agree with Turbo. It's a load of rubbish. We are leaving and we have to negotiate a deal. There is no hard or soft. The only soft option is to stay in but at a huge disadvantage or to go for the classic left wing option of laying your cards on the table before you start negotiating.

rubbish to all of that. We are leaving. Let's get a deal and let's make it a good one. Hopefully for us AND them. If the EU want to behave like petulant children then while it would be no surprise, it will only harm them in the long run.

Best thing the EU could do is send Junker away for a long holiday. He reminds me of Jean-Marie Balestre in many ways. A corrupt lunatic who has somehow found his way to a position of great power. A damaging force who will go down as an unfortunate foot note in European history.

What's a good deal? What is the minimum we could accept before classifying a deal as a good one?
I reckon, we need to keep access to the single market on a tariff free basis, without having to pay dosh like Norway etc,.
We need that money for our NHS etc. Why the fudge should we give it to the Europeans to pizz it down the Brussels corrupt black hole?
We also need end this free movement nonsense!
At the end of the day, the EU NEEDS US MORE THAN WE NEED THEM.

If we can't get those elements in the deal, we might just as well have stayed in IMHO.
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
What's a good deal? What is the minimum we could accept before classifying a deal as a good one?
I reckon, we need to keep access to the single market on a tariff free basis, without having to pay dosh like Norway etc,.
We need that money for our NHS etc. Why the fudge should we give it to the Europeans to pizz it down the Brussels corrupt black hole?
We also need end this free movement nonsense!
At the end of the day, the EU NEEDS US MORE THAN WE NEED THEM.

If we can't get those elements in the deal, we might just as well have stayed in IMHO.

I take it this is very tongue in cheek, but unfortunately some folk still think it's a realistic proposition. My guess is at the end of the two years won't be hard or soft, but simply no deal with talks concentrating on extending the negotiating period for another 3 or 4 years.
 

ski

Member
There will be a deal. Nothing will be done until Autumn after the German election. All before is 'hype', playing to the relevant gallery or media. We will lose quite a bit,(both sides already accept that ) but gain more elsewhere,(non EU) and then in 3- 4 years the 'lost' bit will gradually be reclaimed by both sides as hurt feelings subside. Good source. Both sides are busy 'pushing the media buttons' as they need to show themselves upto the job. All will be able to claim victory.
 

ski

Member
Also the government are hoping for a good increase in productivity and they think it is happening already, because, cheap labour substituted for investment in equipment, as the cheap labour stops investment will and is increasing which will feed through to increased productivity. Overall coming out of the EU will be modestly positive .
 

will l

Member
Arable Farmer
I take it this is very tongue in cheek, but unfortunately some folk still think it's a realistic proposition. My guess is at the end of the two years won't be hard or soft, but simply no deal with talks concentrating on extending the negotiating period for another 3 or 4 years.
They will extend them as long as britian keeps paying which is until 2021, after that?
 
I take it this is very tongue in cheek, but unfortunately some folk still think it's a realistic proposition. My guess is at the end of the two years won't be hard or soft, but simply no deal with talks concentrating on extending the negotiating period for another 3 or 4 years.

Not tongue in cheek at all. We will be out in two years. If not and we are still in, I guess others will also demand a long slow goodbye so they can emulate us. Can't see Merkel having any of that! No way.
We WILL be OUT!
However I just can't see us getting a good deal. We will have to accept paying Brussels big dosh to keep access to the single market OR go full monty on WTO terms! My money now is we continue to pay the libtards in Brussels and we get some more derogation in the free movement area.
There's no doubt in my mind that our dependence on the City for tax income is the leverage which EU has over us. If they decide to dig in on that we face catostrophic consequences with Bank's upping sticks and moving operations to EU. If you think about it, EU could probably replace the net income we give them by stealing the banks and getting the tax income which is ours currently!
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Not tongue in cheek at all. We will be out in two years. If not and we are still in, I guess others will also demand a long slow goodbye so they can emulate us. Can't see Merkel having any of that! No way.
We WILL be OUT!
However I just can't see us getting a good deal. We will have to accept paying Brussels big dosh to keep access to the single market OR go full monty on WTO terms! My money now is we continue to pay the libtards in Brussels and we get some more derogation in the free movement area.
There's no doubt in my mind that our dependence on the City for tax income is the leverage which EU has over us. If they decide to dig in on that we face catostrophic consequences with Bank's upping sticks and moving operations to EU. If you think about it, EU could probably replace the net income we give them by stealing the banks and getting the tax income which is ours currently!

It's not so easy as just falling back on WTO rules these all still have to be negotiated beforehand. Currently we are only member of the WTO through the EU.
The banks and institutions will certainly move some of their business to other EU countries. If the critical mass still remains in the UK it will only have a limited impact, the trick will be to stop it becoming an exodus that sucks all the ancillary businesses with them. Seven or eight billion in the grand scheme of things is loose change. Even just in the UK the exchequer has around 800 billion a year to play with. Probably just mean that Bulgaria will have to shelve its plans for a useless airport or two.
 

rob1

Member
Location
wiltshire
It's not so easy as just falling back on WTO rules these all still have to be negotiated beforehand. Currently we are only member of the WTO through the EU.
The banks and institutions will certainly move some of their business to other EU countries. If the critical mass still remains in the UK it will only have a limited impact, the trick will be to stop it becoming an exodus that sucks all the ancillary businesses with them. Seven or eight billion in the grand scheme of things is loose change. Even just in the UK the exchequer has around 800 billion a year to play with. Probably just mean that Bulgaria will have to shelve its plans for a useless airport or two.
Sorry but that is totally not true the 28 members of the EU are members of the wto in their own right
 

rob1

Member
Location
wiltshire
Yes and no. We are members of the WTO in our own right, but are solely represented by the EU at WTO negotiations.
We negotiated our current tariffs as part of the EU and until such time as we agree new ones the EU ones will apply, that has been acepted by all sides, there may well be some tough talking on how much of the eu trade quotas we keep but I presume the starting point will be around the amount that we import and export using them now.

Plenty of lies have been told about wto rules and membership by remainers, either that or they dont bother to look it up, the world will keep turning and both sides will adapt, the ones that are positive will gain, thankfully at the moment the UK gov looks positive, cant say that about all brits tho, as for the EU they think more intregation is theway forward it appears
 

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