hard water and water conditioners

[ih1455xl]

had a chap come round trying to sell water conditioner to go in the sprayer he measured our water and it was 650ppm with a ph of 7
would water conditioner help when spraying
this stuff is £4.35 L for 1000l and says it needs 300ml per 100l so £2.61Ha for me spraying at 200l Ha
does any one use it or know anything about the subject

 

[MNBVCXZ]

Yes but only on certain chemicals. The list of chemicals that benefit from its inclusion will be on De Sangisse website.

 

[ollie989898]

SOME chemicals benefit from water conditioner.

 

[Brisel]

There are a few threads on spraying water quality if you do a search. I've had some training in this area. 650 ppm sounds seriously high. I live on a chalk aquifer and mine is 270ppm. Still the max dose of water conditioner which would be the same for you.

There are various ways of conditioning water to mitigate water hardness. Competitive salting (ammonium sulphate, only really useful for glyphosate), pH reduction and cation complexing.

What was the name of this product? I paid £4000 for a 1000 litre IBC of Aquascope which includes a Dosatron to meter it into the water supply to my spray tank.

Here's the label for X Change, an identical cation complexing product;

 

[ih1455xl]

There are a few threads on spraying water quality if you do a search. I've had some training in this area. 650 ppm sounds seriously high. I live on a chalk aquifer and mine is 270ppm. Still the max dose of water conditioner which would be the same for you.

There are various ways of conditioning water to mitigate water hardness. Competitive salting (ammonium sulphate, only really useful for glyphosate), pH reduction and cation complexing.

What was the name of this product? I paid £4000 for a 1000 litre IBC of Aquascope which includes a Dosatron to meter it into the water supply to my spray tank.

Here's the label for X Change, an identical cation complexing product;

View attachment 777994

Do you use it will all spraying then or just herbicides

 

[Brisel]

Do you use it will all spraying then or just herbicides

I use water conditioners for glyphosate, pyrethroid insecticides, SU/hormone/"dim" herbicides. I don't use phenmedipham, organophosphates. I think there might be an issue with pendimethalin herbicides too but will have to do some more homework on those. Untreated mains water for everything else, especially where I'm using trace element salts the conditioner might lock up.

 

[ih1455xl]

I use water conditioners for glyphosate, pyrethroid insecticides, SU/hormone/"dim" herbicides. I don't use phenmedipham, organophosphates. I think there might be an issue with pendimethalin herbicides too but will have to do some more homework on those. Untreated mains water for everything else, especially where I'm using trace element salts the conditioner might lock up.

Cheers that make alot more sense now so no need for it with fungicides then

 

[snipe]

There are a few threads on spraying water quality if you do a search. I've had some training in this area. 650 ppm sounds seriously high. I live on a chalk aquifer and mine is 270ppm. Still the max dose of water conditioner which would be the same for you.

There are various ways of conditioning water to mitigate water hardness. Competitive salting (ammonium sulphate, only really useful for glyphosate), pH reduction and cation complexing.

What was the name of this product? I paid £4000 for a 1000 litre IBC of Aquascope which includes a Dosatron to meter it into the water supply to my spray tank.

Here's the label for X Change, an identical cation complexing product;

View attachment 777994

Why only for glyphosate?

 

[Brisel]

Why only for glyphosate?

As far as I'm aware, ammonium sulphate only helps glyphosate, though that reduction in pH may help others.

 

[ih1455xl]

 

[SilliamWhale]

Can't see anything stating what is in it on the label for you to compare to other product

 

[Brisel]

https://ilex-envirosciences.com/our-products/water-conditioners/
https://ilex-envirosciences.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/tankmix1907i.pdf

The compatibility chart suggests that you shouldn't use it with trace elements, which isn't surprising. Many are chelates not dissimilar from the CaCO3 in hard water.

 

[Brisel]

I've just asked Omex about adding their manganese sulphate to treated hard water. I plan to do my wheat with X Change, Broadway Star and a wetter for brome and broad leafed weeds next week. They said that it should be ok but some of the salt will be locked up by the conditioner. For the pence that the stuff costs, I'm just going to double the rate of Mn.

 

[ih1455xl]

how does this compare to the omex manganese
£6.20l in 5l
£3.80l in 600lt

I've just asked Omex about adding their manganese sulphate to treated hard water. I plan to do my wheat with X Change, Broadway Star and a wetter for brome and broad leafed weeds next week. They said that it should be ok but some of the salt will be locked up by the conditioner. For the pence that the stuff costs, I'm just going to double the rate of Mn.

 

[ih1455xl]

Have just be sent this by are agronomist

 

[Brisel]

how does this compare to the omex manganese
£6.20l in 5l
£3.80l in 600lt

I don't know - I haven't had the bill for the 1000 litre IBC yet. There's a Chemical Price Tracker thread for this kind of thing. I wouldn't want to pay more than 60 pence/litre for manganese sulphate 15%!

 

[Brisel]

View attachment 778452 Have just be sent this by are agronomist

Thank you. I haven't seen that list. I'll keep a copy of that for future reference.

 

[Steevo]

With more people trying to make a profit.....farming life is getting more complicated all the time.

Far cry from the days of 2,4,D lobbed in the tank. Linked to @Clive's @Direct Driller Magazine article you do wonder where things will ever end.