Hardox v's kverneland tines on shear grab?

hubbahubba

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Location
Sunny Glasgow
Needing a new purchase unfortunately. Think a 1.9 metre 3 ram albutt is my favourite. Although it has hardox tines and I'm unsure how easy they will push into the clamp?

Second option an £900 cheaper is a quicke 2 metre 3 ram with kv straight tines. Athough i dont think its as strong built but has larger rams and plated at higher pressure. Any thoughts?

Its on a merlo 35.7.

Thanks
 
Needing a new purchase unfortunately. Think a 1.9 metre 3 ram albutt is my favourite. Although it has hardox tines and I'm unsure how easy they will push into the clamp?

Second option an £900 cheaper is a quicke 2 metre 3 ram with kv straight tines. Athough i dont think its as strong built but has larger rams and plated at higher pressure. Any thoughts?

Its on a merlo 35.7.

Thanks
The Albutt wont disappoint
 

Pebd99

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Location
Aberdeenshire
Albutt on hardox tines here. Very well built. Goes into the pit no problem and silage doesn’t stick round the tines either. Don’t expect to fork bales with it tho.
 

ACEngineering

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Location
Oxon
Needing a new purchase unfortunately. Think a 1.9 metre 3 ram albutt is my favourite. Although it has hardox tines and I'm unsure how easy they will push into the clamp?

Second option an £900 cheaper is a quicke 2 metre 3 ram with kv straight tines. Athough i dont think its as strong built but has larger rams and plated at higher pressure. Any thoughts?

Its on a merlo 35.7.

Thanks

£900 will seem very cheap when the KV tines start coming loose like they always do with age, especially if one drops off in the feeder wagon :ROFLMAO:
 

hubbahubba

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Location
Sunny Glasgow
£900 will seem very cheap when the KV tines start coming loose like they always do with age, especially if one drops off in the feeder wagon :ROFLMAO:
Think i will go for the albutt. Only thing i wish is the front of it gusseted like the redrock to stop silage building up below the front pivot points.

Newrock has just made it into the picture. Although 2.1 metre wide and only 2 rams.... any thoughts?
 

Horn&corn

Member
We’ve got strimech 2 ram on 2m. Always cut everything we’ve tried to cut and our silage is very tight. Never sure whether 2 or 3 rams are better. If 3 and one has internal leak and becomes weak it’ll twist grab. However only 2 rams also potentially twist grab. The faster cutting and opening speed clinched the deal for us.
 

ACEngineering

Member
Location
Oxon
Think i will go for the albutt. Only thing i wish is the front of it gusseted like the redrock to stop silage building up below the front pivot points.

Newrock has just made it into the picture. Although 2.1 metre wide and only 2 rams.... any thoughts?

Stick with albutt, weld a couple of corner plates in if build up under ram pivot is a problem, it did help on the redrock but they would still block up if you let it.
 

hubbahubba

Member
Location
Sunny Glasgow
Just incase anyone ever looking for advice. I wouldn't recommend an allbutt shear grab. I know there well liked here but jings some amount of silage gets jammed up in mine compared to old wylie, front corners, back corners and under that centre ram is frustrating as hell especially when ur thumb goes rite up the centre cutting blade when dugging it out. Silage doesnt slip of hardox tines even now there polished up. And looses more out the back as its so open, presumably thats so all width of brackets can bolt on. What have i purchased 🤦

If anyone was looking for one on merlo brackets. £4250+ vat and you can have it.
 
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traineefarmer

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Mid Norfolk
There is no such thing as a "KV" tine these days. Kverneland stopped making them nearly 20 years ago and anything stamped up with the arrow and sold as KV will more than likely be made in China.

We replaced the KV tines in our old Suton fork with SHW tines and bushes. I found these were far superior to the KV as they fit properly into the taper, rather than relying on the nut to support the rear.
 

hoyboy

Member
Had a 6ft 3 ram Wylie here and it did 20 years. Last year replaced with 7ft Albutt hardox tines and it is as good maybe better. Both will block up with silage at the tops of the rams but only if you take too deep a bite. Priced up a Prodig at the same time and Albutt came in £1500 cheaper!
 

Barleycorn

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BASE UK Member
Location
Hampshire
We had KV type tines on our Shelbourne grab, one broke off and jammed the gearbox on the verticle diet feeder. New gearbox was around £4,500. We got the local engineer / welder to replace the tines with Hardox ones. We're still using Hawkfawk Hardox dung grabs 30+ years old.
Only thing I will say with Albut is they are a bit lazy making 'one size fits all' grabs which you bolt your chosen brackets too, which derates the grab a fair bit. In the Hawkfawk days you ordered the grab with your choice of brackets and they were built into the grab, about 9 inches further in.
 
There is no such thing as a "KV" tine these days. Kverneland stopped making them nearly 20 years ago and anything stamped up with the arrow and sold as KV will more than likely be made in China.

We replaced the KV tines in our old Suton fork with SHW tines and bushes. I found these were far superior to the KV as they fit properly into the taper, rather than relying on the nut to support the rear.
Kverneland tines continue to be produced in Europe. The Kverneland arrow is a sign of a genuine, original Kverneland part.
 

ACEngineering

Member
Location
Oxon
We had KV type tines on our Shelbourne grab, one broke off and jammed the gearbox on the verticle diet feeder. New gearbox was around £4,500. We got the local engineer / welder to replace the tines with Hardox ones. We're still using Hawkfawk Hardox dung grabs 30+ years old.
Only thing I will say with Albut is they are a bit lazy making 'one size fits all' grabs which you bolt your chosen brackets too, which derates the grab a fair bit. In the Hawkfawk days you ordered the grab with your choice of brackets and they were built into the grab, about 9 inches further in.

That isnt lazy, its more economical to do it that way as you can build all the grabs the same for stock in bulk then just supply the bolt on brackets to suit the customers machine. Its also handy for the second hand buyer cause they can unbolt and refit there own choice of bracket.

And were taking about a shear grab not a dung grab. Most people are not near the limits of there machine capacity with a shear grab to worry about how close the brackets are to the attachment.
 

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