Harvest 2019

Pilatus

Member
Location
cotswolds
Mental health.

I found running a business which had high working capital requirements, while at the same time the main factor in the success being the weather, to be quite a mental drain. Heavy land, a working window that had me working every hour I could physically be in the seat and awake.

My eldest son has a September 2nd birthday. He started secondary school this year and this is the first year I've been to his birthday.

Costs of keeping "in the game" with machinery etc were just getting silly. We'd figured the farms were in decent order, and have been taken on by another local outfit, and could do it with time so neither the new contractor nor customer were inconvenienced.

I'm 40 this Christmas, although to look at me you'd think I was closer to 50. It was never really planned to get as big as it got, and although I've enjoyed having the big gear and all that, it's time to try a different approach. I'm staying farming my bit, and in agriculture generally. But much lower intensity, and hopefully something a bit more manageable.

Anyway, nice to have ended it with some nice heaps of wheat.......even if I have most of it left to sell. Oops.
It takes guts to make your sensible decision.
I am sure eating humble pie is something that takes some doing, it takes a stronger man to say “ I have had enough” rather than “I must keep going at any cost financially/ mentally”as I do not want to appear weak/loose face”, more fool that man, than a sensible man like yourself.
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Pilatus

Member
Location
cotswolds
There is a contractor that is contract farming 11,000 acres using the biggest kit available , but treating his staff like robots ,due to the hours they have to work. What is the ultimate goal of a person that runs that type of business?? :scratchhead::scratchhead::banghead:
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
There is a contractor that is contract farming 11,000 acres using the biggest kit available , but treating his staff like robots ,due to the hours they have to work. What is the ultimate goal of a person that runs that type of business?? :scratchhead::scratchhead::banghead:

Based just east of Swindon?
 
There is a contractor that is contract farming 11,000 acres using the biggest kit available , but treating his staff like robots ,due to the hours they have to work. What is the ultimate goal of a person that runs that type of business?? :scratchhead::scratchhead::banghead:
One near here like that , and heard they just got another big chunk , would like to know what spray nozzles and how Averdex lands in some of the wind they go in , but saying that they do a tidy job , but never stopped , a wet year will test them
 

David.

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
J11 M40
Giving up goes against everything we gave ever heard or been taught, all our lives we have been indoctrinated with the mustn't quit, nothing worse than a quitter thing.
It is why Governnents know that there will always be a food supply, we shall all keep growing it until the last of our savings have been exhausted. All that there needs to be is a sniff of a good profit every 4-6 years, and a bit of vague talk of population increases, and jam tomorrow, and off we all go again.
Then you see the depths of genuine suffering and despair in the dry parts of Aus, and the lengths those people will go to to keep going.
Then there is the living memory of previous generations of our own families, some whom had to wear their mother's shoes, or none at all, to school, when times were genuinely hard in the 1920s.
Not saying it is right, but it is a heavy burden indeed to be the generation that quits.
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Maybe things we've heard or been taught are wrong? It's not a nice place to be when rents, hp, etc obligate you to plant to make a smaller loss, while at the same time you have to hope for worldwide misfortune to hope the crop you have to look at every day is ravaged by the weather.

Don't get me wrong, we've done some cool stuff:

Farmed 100 hectares.
Farmed 1000 acres.
Farmed 1000 hectares.
Owned some fancy kit.
Bought a farm at 25.
Sold s farm at 29.
Grown some crap crops.
Grown some 6t/AC wheat crops.
Sold wheat at £55/t and at £230/t

I think it's been more fun that farming the same land a distant relative bought for £3 an acre, or stubbornly carrying on just on the basis that stuff is "bought and paid for" and family labour is free on a distant profit.

It's allowed me to, albeit with a kind bank, to own my own ring fenced farm. And if I cashed it all in, I suppose id not have to work again.

But (tin hat on) it is just a job. Farm workers, managers, move on to different things. Fifteen years in one job is rare I think now.

There are changes coming to farming that are both inevitable and unavoidable. You'll hear the words "public goods" a lot. We will loose a whole heap of chem. We will have heavy restrictions on nitrogen, muck and slurry. A reducing direct subsidy, and potentially open to cheap imports. Any notion of a reduction in red tape you can forget now.

Thinking about generations, and remember the protective hat is still on, I'm going to say that the UK needs fewer farmers who have barely set foot of the home farm, and we should all strive to sit down at the end of the year and ask if it was worth it both financially and personally. And if you ever have family employed, pay them the proper wage and never ever have any of your children under any moral obligation to carry on.

Life
Liberty
And the persuit of happiness.
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
I think it's extremely brave to make a substantial change to your business, and wise to recognise that personal fulfilment is not just about the number at the bottom of a spreadsheet. We're all too focussed on being the most efficient to the detriment of our own personal sustainability.

Good luck for the future @teslacoils - I would also like to hear about how you move forwards from here. Who is the person on your most recent avatar?
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David.

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
J11 M40
Maybe things we've heard or been taught are wrong? It's not a nice place to be when rents, hp, etc obligate you to plant to make a smaller loss, while at the same time you have to hope for worldwide misfortune to hope the crop you have to look at every day is ravaged by the weather.

Don't get me wrong, we've done some cool stuff:

Farmed 100 hectares.
Farmed 1000 acres.
Farmed 1000 hectares.
Owned some fancy kit.
Bought a farm at 25.
Sold s farm at 29.
Grown some crap crops.
Grown some 6t/AC wheat crops.
Sold wheat at £55/t and at £230/t

I think it's been more fun that farming the same land a distant relative bought for £3 an acre, or stubbornly carrying on just on the basis that stuff is "bought and paid for" and family labour is free on a distant profit.

It's allowed me to, albeit with a kind bank, to own my own ring fenced farm. And if I cashed it all in, I suppose id not have to work again.

But (tin hat on) it is just a job. Farm workers, managers, move on to different things. Fifteen years in one job is rare I think now.

There are changes coming to farming that are both inevitable and unavoidable. You'll hear the words "public goods" a lot. We will loose a whole heap of chem. We will have heavy restrictions on nitrogen, muck and slurry. A reducing direct subsidy, and potentially open to cheap imports. Any notion of a reduction in red tape you can forget now.

Thinking about generations, and remember the protective hat is still on, I'm going to say that the UK needs fewer farmers who have barely set foot of the home farm, and we should all strive to sit down at the end of the year and ask if it was worth it both financially and personally. And if you ever have family employed, pay them the proper wage and never ever have any of your children under any moral obligation to carry on.

Life
Liberty
And the persuit of happiness.
Please don't think I'm criticising you in any way.
I have great respect for your seeing things as they are, and choosing quality time with your family over trying to keep ahead in what is basically an unfulfilling dick measuring contest.
 

Cropper

Member
Location
N. Glos
I think it's extremely brave to make a substantial change to your business, and wise to recognise that personal fulfilment is not just about the number at the bottom of a spreadsheet. We're all too focussed on being the most efficient to the detriment of our own personal sustainability.

Good luck for the future @teslacoils - I would also like to hear about how you move forwards from here. Who is the person on your most recent avatar?
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It looks like the guy on the Quaker Oats box.
 

teslacoils

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Please don't think I'm criticising you in any way.
I have great respect for your seeing things as they are, and choosing quality time with your family over trying to keep ahead in what is basically an unfulfilling dick measuring contest.

Not at all. It's always difficult to judge tone on the internet but I don't take any offence!

Now the willy waving is quite interesting. I must admit that the service received from dealers, merchants, etc is much better when you farm many acres. And as a contract farmer there is often an agent involved to do the shouting for you.

Family farms are going to bear the brunt of the hassle in future despite what consumers and government say. They will have to get used to the box ticking and form filling that larger farms are more disposed to.

I used to look at large farming outfits as cowboys, land rapists etc but as I went on you see that the big boys are expanding because they know how to sweat the assets but also the attention to detail is fantastic. And they will expand more. If your new tractor is seven percent dearer next year, you need it doing right percent more work.

And once you get to the size where you have someone to do the accounts, fix the stuff etc I imagine it gets a lot easier. For me I was managing the business, buying, selling, fixing, coming home, making lunches, cooking the weeks meals, doing the paperwork. But mainly it had stopped being fun. Harvest especially should afford at least a day where you can stop for an hour and have a picnic with your family. I think I've neglected certain aspects of life to build up a good business, and that see-saw has to be rebalanced now.
 

Cropper

Member
Location
N. Glos
Not at all. It's always difficult to judge tone on the internet but I don't take any offence!

Now the willy waving is quite interesting. I must admit that the service received from dealers, merchants, etc is much better when you farm many acres. And as a contract farmer there is often an agent involved to do the shouting for you.

Family farms are going to bear the brunt of the hassle in future despite what consumers and government say. They will have to get used to the box ticking and form filling that larger farms are more disposed to.

I used to look at large farming outfits as cowboys, land rapists etc but as I went on you see that the big boys are expanding because they know how to sweat the assets but also the attention to detail is fantastic. And they will expand more. If your new tractor is seven percent dearer next year, you need it doing right percent more work.

And once you get to the size where you have someone to do the accounts, fix the stuff etc I imagine it gets a lot easier. For me I was managing the business, buying, selling, fixing, coming home, making lunches, cooking the weeks meals, doing the paperwork. But mainly it had stopped being fun. Harvest especially should afford at least a day where you can stop for an hour and have a picnic with your family. I think I've neglected certain aspects of life to build up a good business, and that see-saw has to be rebalanced now.

Well done for making the decision, I’m sure you won’t regret it. I was talking to someone yesterday and said how I don’t enjoy farming like I used to. As a one man band I am always rushing from one job to the next with no time to stop and reflect on a good job done, probably because it could usually be done better if I had more time. Also no time to consider stopping doing it either as we are always looking forward to next year and the year after.
 
Maybe things we've heard or been taught are wrong? It's not a nice place to be when rents, hp, etc obligate you to plant to make a smaller loss, while at the same time you have to hope for worldwide misfortune to hope the crop you have to look at every day is ravaged by the weather.

Don't get me wrong, we've done some cool stuff:

Farmed 100 hectares.
Farmed 1000 acres.
Farmed 1000 hectares.
Owned some fancy kit.
Bought a farm at 25.
Sold s farm at 29.
Grown some crap crops.
Grown some 6t/AC wheat crops.
Sold wheat at £55/t and at £230/t

I think it's been more fun that farming the same land a distant relative bought for £3 an acre, or stubbornly carrying on just on the basis that stuff is "bought and paid for" and family labour is free on a distant profit.

It's allowed me to, albeit with a kind bank, to own my own ring fenced farm. And if I cashed it all in, I suppose id not have to work again.

But (tin hat on) it is just a job. Farm workers, managers, move on to different things. Fifteen years in one job is rare I think now.

There are changes coming to farming that are both inevitable and unavoidable. You'll hear the words "public goods" a lot. We will loose a whole heap of chem. We will have heavy restrictions on nitrogen, muck and slurry. A reducing direct subsidy, and potentially open to cheap imports. Any notion of a reduction in red tape you can forget now.

Thinking about generations, and remember the protective hat is still on, I'm going to say that the UK needs fewer farmers who have barely set foot of the home farm, and we should all strive to sit down at the end of the year and ask if it was worth it both financially and personally. And if you ever have family employed, pay them the proper wage and never ever have any of your children under any moral obligation to carry on.

Life
Liberty
And the persuit of happiness.
Best of luck with it!
This year has been one that has really tested me and I’m starting to wonder if it’s all worth it. To me, harvest and drilling used to be an enjoyable time. Every year it seems to turn into more of a grind, with bigger more expensive issues every time. I always seem to feel differently once spring comes around though and I get back to enjoying it again, but maybe that will change too.

Keep posting though! Your posts are full of wit and always interesting.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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    Votes: 66 34.9%
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    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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