Has Boris come of age?

[caveman]

Boris has played a blinder.
He's against legislation to ban the burkha and is all for freedom of choice on the one hand.
On the other.
He's put it out there to the burkha wearers, to take a long, hard, look at theirselves and to come to their own conclusion, as to whether or not a stone age costume is appropriate or not, in a modern day 'integrated' Great Britain.
Much the same as criticism has applied before of Beatnicks, Teddy boys, Hippies, Long haired Beatles and Stones, Punks, etc, etc.

 

[Deutzdx3]

How many people here go abroad, to the likes of turkey, uae, etc. If you don’t follow their rules they will arrest you or throw you out. But boris says any thing remotely against Islam and he is a racist.its a joke. My grans side of the family is Jewish, Corbyn will never live down this anti-Semitic slurs. This country is either the land for free speech or it’s not. ‍

 

[Tigger]

A very relevant point has been made, one being that criticising the burqa cannot be Islamophobic as it is not a requirement of Islam or being a Muslim. I would agree with that.
The Koran only has the following for 'dress code': "For women: Cover your chest (24:31); Lengthen your garments (33:59) and for both sexes; The BEST garment is righteousness and modest conduct (7:26)."

Would a politician criticising a devout Christian woman for wearing a beret in church as looking ridiculous be equally and vociferously condemned as 'Christophobic'? Of course not, in fact we'd probably never even know they'd said it. Zero media interest.

That's why despite the best efforts of the brainwashing propagandists in the majority of our media and academia, in reality many people are getting ever more frustrated with the shutting down only of certain criticisms and comment that 'doesn't fit', and the hypocrisy of promoting 'tolerance to and acceptance of all' but being intolerant of and not accepting the viewpoints of a large proportion of the population.

To paraphrase a quote by John F. Kennedy "those who make peaceful discourse impossible will make violent discourse inevitable" - and it should be a big concern that this does appear to be the way things may go in future. Extremists of any viewpoint or spectrum are not a welcome sight but this kind of thing breeds such.

Anyway I digress, back to Boris.

 

[uztrac]

Well spoken Boris,even though JRM will make a better leader I am in full agreement with your comments

 

[Jackov Altraids]

A very relevant point has been made, one being that criticising the burqa cannot be Islamophobic as it is not a requirement of Islam or being a Muslim. I would agree with that.
The Koran only has the following for 'dress code': "For women: Cover your chest (24:31); Lengthen your garments (33:59) and for both sexes; The BEST garment is righteousness and modest conduct (7:26)."

Would a politician criticising a devout Christian woman for wearing a beret in church as looking ridiculous be equally and vociferously condemned as 'Christophobic'? Of course not, in fact we'd probably never even know they'd said it. Zero media interest.

That's why despite the best efforts of the brainwashing propagandists in the majority of our media and academia, in reality many people are getting ever more frustrated with the shutting down only of certain criticisms and comment that 'doesn't fit', and the hypocrisy of promoting 'tolerance to and acceptance of all' but being intolerant of and not accepting the viewpoints of a large proportion of the population.

To paraphrase a quote by John F. Kennedy "those who make peaceful discourse impossible will make violent discourse inevitable" - and it should be a big concern that this does appear to be the way things may go in future. Extremists of any viewpoint or spectrum are not a welcome sight but this kind of thing breeds such.

Anyway I digress, back to Boris.

Only quoting this because a 'like' was not enough.

The biggest question of modern liberal society is......
How tolerant should we be of intolerance?

 

[Exfarmer]

I think the real offence was to accuse them of looking like bank robbers. It is a pity he said that as the rest is perfectly correct, it is a stupid mode of dress outdated, outlandish and the result of a misguided mysogenistic culture.
It is not of course rhe exclusivity of the Moslem as many faiths require some or all of their women to be covered , even some of Mr Rees Moggs compatriots in the Roman Catholic church

 

[Jackov Altraids]

I think the real offence was to accuse them of looking like bank robbers. It is a pity he said that as the rest is perfectly correct, it is a stupid mode of dress outdated, outlandish and the result of a misguided mysogenistic culture.
It is not of course rhe exclusivity of the Moslem as many faiths require some or all of their women to be covered , even some of Mr Rees Moggs compatriots in the Roman Catholic church

You are right.
I took it as a 'tongue in cheek' comment that light-heartedly made the point that the head covering was as effective as a balaclava.
I'm no Boris fan but the faux outrage by all his detractors on behalf of somebody else, is quite hilarious.

 

[Ashtree]

If only Boris would get himself measured for and fitted with a Burka. That way we wouldn’t see the clown so clearly and his outlandish gibberish would probably be muffled enough not to be heard.

 

[wanton dwarf]

As I understand it if Boris is found guilty of offence within the Conservative Party it removes the possibility of Boris's elligibility for Prime Minister under CCHQ rules.

After Chequers and Boris's resignation Boris was voted internally by ConservativeHome as the top candidate to replace Theresa May .. 80% of people want Mrs May removed .. 45% immediately.

However that's from a canvas of about 1500 votes vs a membership of about 90,000 I think. Don't take this as gospel.

 

[yellowbelly]

Well, whatever you think of Boris, you just can't doubt the accuracy of his comments..................

I rest my case, m'lud.

 

[arcobob]

Mention was made in the Sunday Express about two weeks ago about a previous survey they had conducted concerning the wearing of hoodies and balaclavas in public. The response was over 90% in favour of banning them, largely driven by the spate of terrorist attacks at the time. Of course many people wear hooded jackets in winter so where do you draw the line? The Burkha has been banned in some countries for security reasons and this action is clearly not Islamaphobic as crimes have been committed by men and women wearing burkhas in order to cover their identity. Boris is often seen as an attention seeking clown but in this instance he is right.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Of course many people wear hooded jackets in winter so where do you draw the line?

If people have the hood up when it's not raining or snowing .. then their behaviour is supicious and should be investigated by the police. I think the usual crime quoted is "Disturbing the peace" .. peaceful people don't cover their faces 24/7/365.

Boris is often seen as an attention seeking clown but in this instance he is right.

I don't particularly like Boris and he's opinion is just an opinion .. some would have different views either way.

However Theresa May and Brandon Lewis are nutters.

These garments are sexist and go against the foundations of the UK way of life. Women can wear them if they want but IMHO they are being forced or encouraged to by extremists who have no place in normal UK society. Quite frankly this is an attempt to normalise extremism, these garments existed a 1000 years before Islam even existed.

 

[Hindsight]

If people have the hood up when it's not raining or snowing .. then their behaviour is supicious and should be investigated by the police. I think the usual crime quoted is "Disturbing the peace" .. peaceful people don't cover their faces 24/7/365.





I don't particularly like Boris and he's opinion is just an opinion .. some would have different views either way.

However Theresa May and Brandon Lewis are nutters.

These garments are sexist and go against the foundations of the UK way of life. Women can wear them if they want but IMHO they are being forced or encouraged to by extremists who have no place in normal UK society. Quite frankly this is an attempt to normalise extremism, these garments existed a 1000 years before Islam even existed.

My son and daughter wear hoodies with hoods up when it is not raining / snowing etc. 'Tis the fashion. I carry a knife - but have not felt the need to kill someone yet! Other carry knives and do. Kneejerk reaction legislation rarely successful. Hey ho.

 

[arcobob]

My son and daughter wear hoodies with hoods up when it is not raining / snowing etc. 'Tis the fashion. I carry a knife - but have not felt the need to kill someone yet! Other carry knives and do. Kneejerk reaction legislation rarely successful. Hey ho.

When I was a kid 65 years ago everyone carried knives, it was part of the Cubs/Scouts essential equipment. We were brought up to respect others and never to use them to harm people. As a teenager I spent a week at Bisley ranges every year with a .303 rifle slung over my shoulder and carrying live ammunition. I was not constantly supervised but I had been brought up to show respect for firearms and how to use them for legitimate purposes. Many kids today have no respect for anything, anybody or the sanctity of life. How things have changed for the worse but then there was a death penalty in those days.

 

[wanton dwarf]

My son and daughter wear hoodies with hoods up when it is not raining / snowing etc. 'Tis the fashion. I carry a knife - but have not felt the need to kill someone yet! Other carry knives and do. Kneejerk reaction legislation rarely successful. Hey ho.

In ordinary times I would agree but we live with the whole worlds probelms concentrated within our small borders.

Those days have gone.

 

[The Agrarian]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-45...ournalists-tea-while-avoiding-burka-questions

 

[Ashtree]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-45...ournalists-tea-while-avoiding-burka-questions

I suppose it’s up there but not quite the same as having tea with the queen!!

 

[ollie989898]

Boris is making a play for becoming PM.

His comments were a very carefully measured way of testing the political waters and electoral opinion.

 

[The Agrarian]

I think he nearly overdid it with the bank robbers.

 

[The Agrarian]

I suppose it’s up there but not quite the same as having tea with the queen!!

It's not up there, and I don't think it would be at all like having tea with the queen.