Have the met office lost the plot?

[neilo]

Just the usual hogwash; they haven’t got a clue what it’s going to do next month never mind next decades.

On last night's BBC forecast 'for the week ahead', he openly admitted they couldn't predict whether it was going to dry or torrential rain on Friday. There's an Atlantic storm rolling in, but no idea whether it will go North or South yet, a whole 5 days away.

 

[gatepost]

Well, all I can add is a general comment on how at least on this farm since my teens, we certainly see a lot less hard frosts, and snow has become an oddity rather than the norm it was, where once I could get about with 2 wheel drive I can make a mess with 4, and rather than the fields being brown dead through winter we have started to see some actual grass growth through some of the winter months. I still had to sweep 4 inches of snow of my windscreen on saturday am and we still had a bit lying on sunday, just a general observation, but i still live above the snow line when it comes!

 

[lazy farmer]

If you were in Australia or California you would be in no doubt there is a climate emergency.
The weather is changing the winters. Are trending warmer and therefore wetter. The summers are trending warmer and drier in the south of England we have had two very hard consecutive droughts.
Climate change is real. Scoff all you like at this report. It maybe right it may not be. But humans will have to solve the problem we have created. Whether we want to part of the solution or a footnote in history is up to us.

 

[fgc325j]

What is strange tho, is how little we have heard about how much the reduction in air travel has reduced pollution. Probably a good time to load up on airliner shares, they’ll have it back as soon as possible

The problem is that they are still blaming belching cattle for being a major cause of air pollution, and NOT air travel.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

Climate change is both natural and inevitable (have a look at proxies for temp change over just the last ten thousand years). Yes, we may be making it worse but It’s sheer arrogance to think that it’s solely caused by humans, and even more arrogant to think that we can stop it.

 

[teslacoils]

If you were in Australia or California you would be in no doubt there is a climate emergency.
The weather is changing the winters. Are trending warmer and therefore wetter. The summers are trending warmer and drier in the south of England we have had two very hard consecutive droughts.
Climate change is real. Scoff all you like at this report. It maybe right it may not be. But humans will have to solve the problem we have created. Whether we want to part of the solution or a footnote in history is up to us.

Or we could just roll with it?

 

[kfpben]

I don’t doubt climate change but I don’t think the Met Office help the population understand with scare stories.

I vividly remember a similar story when I was doing A-Level geography in c. 2005. Teacher told us that ‘we were unlikely to see widespread lying snow again in Southern England’.

Cue winter 09/10, December 10, Feb/March 13, Feb/March 18. All record breaking cold spells. Also many other snowfalls in between (eg. nearly a foot end Jan 19). During my childhood we got a few wet falls of a inch or two that lasted 24 hours. This last decade has been far snowier than the 90s and early 2000s, at least in this area.

 

[C.J]

I just can’t see it happening,in fact if anything if the cold fresh water from the pole sinks southward through the Gulf Stream disrupting it then we could end up being cooler.

Yes - its possible the Grand Solar Minimum could cause the Beaufort Gyre to reverse , sending fresh water ( from melting glaciers ) into the North Atlantic . This will weaken the Thermal Halide Conveyor ( Gulf Stream ) , so we will experience colder winters as is normal for other places of our latitude.

It may even be the the start of the next Ice Age.

 

[yellow belly]

I don’t doubt climate change but I don’t think the Met Office help the population understand with scare stories.

I vividly remember a similar story when I was doing A-Level geography in c. 2005. Teacher told us that ‘we were unlikely to see widespread lying snow again in Southern England’.

Cue winter 09/10, December 10, Feb/March 13, Feb/March 18. All record breaking cold spells. Also many other snowfalls in between (eg. nearly a foot end Jan 19). During my childhood we got a few wet falls of a inch or two that lasted 24 hours. This last decade has been far snowier than the 90s and early 2000s, at least in this area.

1976 was the hottest summer
1947 the snowiest winter


climate change results in the average temperature being higher
but the average of 10 years can have the coldest snowiest year but 9 warmer years
just needs to have a strong north easterly in mid winter to give use snow and cold

Meterologists should go back to basics and study the extremes and the meaning of average

 

[kiwi pom]

Fixed that for you. Caught one of the weather presenters using the phrase " Climate emergency " a while back. If it hadn't been for lockdown, I'd have jumped in the car, travelled across country and given him a foot up the arse.

I believe our government have just officially declared a climate emergency

Climates changing for sure, always has, at the moment we are causing it to change. Personally I don't think we can stop it and anything we change now will have it's own consequences down the line.

My own, mad scientist, no proof what so ever theory is, the more we clean up the atmosphere by not burning coal and other fossil fuels, the more of the suns energy gets through, warming everywhere up.

 

[Dman2]

Seem to remember them saying , during the beast from the east that, that sort of weather would become more frequent because of global warming.

Can`t even predict the bloody weather 1 day ahead at the moment

 

[kiwi pom]

If you were in Australia or California you would be in no doubt there is a climate emergency.
The weather is changing the winters. Are trending warmer and therefore wetter. The summers are trending warmer and drier in the south of England we have had two very hard consecutive droughts.
Climate change is real. Scoff all you like at this report. It maybe right it may not be. But humans will have to solve the problem we have created. Whether we want to part of the solution or a footnote in history is up to us.

Here in quiet South Canterbury we had 2 huge weather events this time last year.
Timaru had a massive ten minute hail storm - never seen anything like it- that cost $170 million making it the most expensive weather event in NZ.
A couple of weeks later we had huge amounts of rain inland, I believe one weather station recorded over 900 mm in a week. Downstream was completely flooded washing away the railway line, approaches to the only two river bridges, power lines, irrigators etc Cutting off the lower part of the south island for over a week. Many more millions spent cleaning up.
My mates dairy herd increased by over 600 cows in one milking
Wild times.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Fixed that for you. Caught one of the weather presenters using the phrase " Climate emergency " a while back. If it hadn't been for lockdown, I'd have jumped in the car, travelled across country and given him a foot up the arse.

As endorsed by our leader.....

 

[Sonoftheheir]

Excerpt from the Met Office long range forecast today -

“changeable with periods of more settled and unsettled weather both likely”

 

[Farma Parma]

Last time they were forecasting the north Atlantic conveyor would stop very soon giving us winters like Canada and Russia, they couldnt tell the day of the week

Last bad winter we all had was the beast from the EAST.... which is very rare lets face it. be around 10/12years before we see another one like it if past history plays out

 

[Farma Parma]

1976 was the hottest summer
1947 the snowiest winter


climate change results in the average temperature being higher
but the average of 10 years can have the coldest snowiest year but 9 warmer years
just needs to have a strong north easterly in mid winter to give use snow and cold

Meterologists should go back to basics and study the extremes and the meaning of average

Yeah i can still remember that summer of 76 it was warm.... took 42years to get another to match it tho & that was after only a few months earlier the deepest snow ive seen here since 1978

 

[farmerm]

Seem to remember them saying , during the beast from the east that, that sort of weather would become more frequent because of global warming.

Can`t even predict the bloody weather 1 day ahead at the moment

2 weeks ago the bbc forecast for the following 2 weeks was dry... I don't think we have had a day without rain since

 

[7610 super q]

I'm quite content to let folks call it climate change. It's definitely changed in my lifetime. But the climate has always been changing in cycles. Is this change man made ? I dunno. If it is an " emergency ", then treat it as such. Ground planes, limit households to one car each, give everyone fuel quotas, and stop destroying rain forests. Whining about a " climate emergency " like a woke wet blanket is a waste of everyone's time. Actions speak louder than words.

 

[puppet]

You beat me to it. It is not an emergency and we do not have just 10 years to stop everything going belly up.
The report looked at some worse case scenarios and said the temp could change by minus 3% to plus 13% making me think they are not as certain as they sound.
Wales are hammering livestock again yet only around 4% emissions most of which is CO2/ methane which is taken up by the grass they eat.
I don't see many cars or planes being able to mitigate their own GHG emissions

 

[Top Tip.]

What we have to remember though is that the magic words ‘climate change’ are the key to a massive gravy train with access to unlimited amounts of money!!