Have you been conned out of your subsidy by conmen with help of the markets

[county antrim]

Anyone know how a farmer who should be getting £40/50k a year in subsidy is getting £150k?

 

[milkloss]

Environmental payments. Goes on everywhere.

 

[county antrim]

im talking about actual subsidies before the single farm payment began, therefore they have lost that money every year since it began over 10 years ago.

 

[Badshot]

You're not making sense.


One statement says there's a massive increase in subsidy
Next says its been lost.
Title says you've been ripped off by agents.

 

[county antrim]

no some farmers but as an example im using the biggest farmer that i know of who should be getting £50k in subsidy is actually getting £150k a year because he frauded other farmers out of a subsidy payment when selling through the market over the years used to set the single farm payment.

 

[Shutesy]

Still makes no sense to me.

 

[Badshot]

Still makes no sense to me.

Or me.

no some farmers but as an example im using the biggest farmer that i know of who should be getting £50k in subsidy is actually getting £150k a year because he frauded other farmers out of a subsidy payment when selling through the market over the years used to set the single farm payment.

Livestock headage payments?

 

[county antrim]

are you a beef farmer?

 

[Badshot]

are you a beef farmer?

If that's aimed at me. No I'm not.
But I'm aware that under the headage scheme it was common for people to buy beasts just to claim the headage subs left on them.
If people put them in the market before claiming the next age related sub that was their mistake.
If its something other than that you need to expand on it as at the moment its all guessing.

 

[Grassman]

no some farmers but as an example im using the biggest farmer that i know of who should be getting £50k in subsidy is actually getting £150k a year because he frauded other farmers out of a subsidy payment when selling through the market over the years used to set the single farm payment.

I'm baffled.
Can you explain a bit more for us?

 

[county antrim]

im from Northern Ireland, its to do with slaughter payments before the single farm payments came in, but slaughter payments were used in calculation your single farm payment. when selling the buyers were asked if they were going to slaughter the animal within 30 days, if they intended to keep the animals longer than 30 days then they had to pay £45 on the day, and they would then be entitled to claim the slaughter payment, but many said yes but didn't (they kept them for over 30 days and then they were entitled to the slaughter payment), so they didn't pay the £45 on the day and also got the slaughter payment and therefore the markets were allowing buyers to sometimes basically steal the slaughter payment which was £60 per animal. My question is who allowed the markets to do this?

 

[Happy at it]

I think you'll have to explain this one out a bit better, if your going to get any answers .

How do you know what any person. should be receiving. if a farmer was punching lot cattle , claiming headage payments for suckers and ewes it would have dramaticly increased the value of his sip.

Also given the fact that it was possible to trade in entitlements how would anyone know?

 

[Badshot]

im from Northern Ireland, its to do with slaughter payments before the single farm payments came in, but slaughter payments were used in calculation your single farm payment. when selling the buyers were asked if they were going to slaughter the animal within 30 days, if they intended to keep the animals longer than 30 days then they had to pay £45 on the day, and they would then be entitled to claim the slaughter payment, but many said yes but didn't (they kept them for over 30 days and then they were entitled to the slaughter payment), so they didn't pay the £45 on the day and also got the slaughter payment and therefore the markets were allowing buyers to sometimes basically steal the slaughter payment which was £60 per animal. My question is who allowed the markets to do this?

Thank you.
That makes much more sense now.
Sounds like a bit of a loophole. Bit like the old area payments, just because it failed didn't mean you lost the payment.
There was a lot of subsidy farming going on back then, in all sectors

 

[county antrim]

i know because i checked one time and the amount of animals sold and the amount of subsidy was short by 8 animals, the market sent out a cheque for £360 which was 8 animals by £45, and the farmer im talking about's name was mentioned at the time, but no one knew at the time that, that was within the 3 year period used to calculate the single farm payment.so every slaughter payment was worth £20 a year in your single farm payment.

 

[county antrim]

Thank you.
That makes much more sense now.
Sounds like a bit of a loophole. Bit like the old area payments, just because it failed didn't mean you lost the payment.
There was a lot of subsidy farming going on back then, in all sectors

not a loophole just standard stealing of subsidy payments.

 

[Goweresque]

Is NI still on historic payments then? In England anyone who managed to get a big historic entitlement slowly lost it over the following 6 or 7 years, until the whole thing became an area payment, and everyone got the same per acre. If NI is still on purely historic entitlements, then yes, anyone who indulged in some sharp practise would still be getting the benefit of it. You are talking something that happened nearly 20 years ago though, so the chances of proving anything are virtually zero. I'd let it go if I were you.......