Haybob 360's. Are they that bad?

[Hesstondriver]

It is only the yellow spot tines (offside) that are different,you can easily modify them yourself if you have a pattern one,they have an extra very small bend in them.Blue spot ones are standard items.

never knew that, ive always just fitted std yellow and blue - with no problems

 

[Hesstondriver]

 

[Angus]

Ah well that might be my problem. Do both rotors have 360 specific tines? I have never grasped why you have a wide and narrow either.

Yes they do both have specific tines. My old Massey Ferguson copy of the 360 (MF 64 I believe ) came with regular Haybob tines and does the exact same thing. I have the Sparex No.S.78150; L.H. rotor narrow, S.78151 L.H. rotor wide and S.78163 R.H.rotor narrow S.78164 R.H. rotor wide. I have not changed the tines yet so cannot say if there is an improvement. Kramer and Granit also stocked them a couple of years ago and Westlake Plough and Tractor website is helpful/ informative, Angus

 

[Deutzdx3]

Both sets of tines are different. They also have different springs to hold the time out of work compared to the 300. Make sure no tines are bent as that’ll throw little whisp bits around and make it look untidy.

 

[smcapstick]

I've had a few and used them in anger. I like them - they are the ULTIMATE Haybob

They are perfect for rowing up in front of a conventional baler and flat 8 sledge setup - it leaves you enough room to run the sledge (in my case, a Cooks Windrower) up and down without running over the next swathe.

 

[adam_farming]

Just to resurrect this thread a bit, I’ve seen a 360 in the bottom of a hedge (someone elses) that I think would be ideal for a few acres of hay on the MF35X. However it is missing the second PTO shaft that goes between the two rotor. The input shafts aren’t the usual 6 spline but instead a smooth shaft with a single key in a slot. Are these shafts hard or expensive to come by? Google has turned up the modern Kuhn equivalent parts diagram and it looks like a regular PTO shaft apart from the ends, but finding the complete shaft assembly is proving more difficult.
If they are either expensive or rare then I won’t bother asking about it but they aren’t too bad then it’ll be a good one to offer a bit for and fix up. Pic attached.
Thanks in advance

 

[haybob]

Just to resurrect this thread a bit, I’ve seen a 360 in the bottom of a hedge (someone elses) that I think would be ideal for a few acres of hay on the MF35X. However it is missing the second PTO shaft that goes between the two rotor. The input shafts aren’t the usual 6 spline but instead a smooth shaft with a single key in a slot. Are these shafts hard or expensive to come by? Google has turned up the modern Kuhn equivalent parts diagram and it looks like a regular PTO shaft apart from the ends, but finding the complete shaft assembly is proving more difficult.
If they are either expensive or rare then I won’t bother asking about it but they aren’t too bad then it’ll be a good one to offer a bit for and fix up. Pic attached.
Thanks in advance

It looks like you might as well leave it in hedgerow condition. By the time you have spent money getting it going, better off buying a used working one for around £500

 

[adam_farming]

It looks like you might as well leave it in hedgerow condition. By the time you have spent money getting it going, better off buying a used working one for around £500

That’s partly what I was afraid of. Looks like it needs both PTO shafts and a couple of tines. Also seems to to be missing the outside gate for swathing. Slightly annoying as I can see it in said hedgerow from the house, and I’m not really geared up to go and fetch any machinery at the moment unless on the 35X, which limits me a bit in terms of weather and distance!

 

[DrWazzock]

Just to resurrect this thread a bit, I’ve seen a 360 in the bottom of a hedge (someone elses) that I think would be ideal for a few acres of hay on the MF35X. However it is missing the second PTO shaft that goes between the two rotor. The input shafts aren’t the usual 6 spline but instead a smooth shaft with a single key in a slot. Are these shafts hard or expensive to come by? Google has turned up the modern Kuhn equivalent parts diagram and it looks like a regular PTO shaft apart from the ends, but finding the complete shaft assembly is proving more difficult.
If they are either expensive or rare then I won’t bother asking about it but they aren’t too bad then it’ll be a good one to offer a bit for and fix up. Pic attached.
Thanks in advance

I'd imagine you might get a non genuine shaft and joints from Kramp, Sparex or Vapormatic. I did for my lime spreader. There are many different types available.
It really wants to be bought for nothing more than a few quid if its in a hedge in unknown condtion.
I'd be more concerned about the condition of the bevel gears myself. If they are worn out then its scrap.
If you gain satisfaction from mending things up then that's worth something isn't it?
Are they any good? Yes, I'd say so for doing a small area. Others will say they are rubbish but in my view a good operator will get the best out of them with careful use and setting up.

 

[DrWazzock]

The only time I have needed the gates was if I was making a square edged flat wind row for a round baler. If rowing up for a small square baler you don't need the gates, nor for tedding it out.

 

[adam_farming]

I'd imagine you might get a non genuine shaft and joints from Kramp, Sparex or Vapormatic. I did for my lime spreader. There are many different types available.
It really wants to be bought for nothing more than a few quid if its in a hedge in unknown condtion.
I'd be more concerned about the condition of the bevel gears myself. If they are worn out then its scrap.
If you gain satisfaction from mending things up then that's worth something isn't it?
Are they any good? Yes, I'd say so for doing a small area. Others will say they are rubbish but in my view a good operator will get the best out of them with careful use and setting up.

I‘m hoping that it won’t be a huge price to pay, and yes I do like mending things, one thing I have got is the time an inclination to do some fixing.

The only time I have needed the gates was if I was making a square edged flat wind row for a round baler. If rowing up for a small square baler you don't need the gates, nor for tedding it out.

It would be a conventional baler so perhaps this isn’t an immediate issue.
Thanks for the comments.

 

[Skintagain]

Just buy a normal pz

 

[essexpete]

Just to resurrect this thread a bit, I’ve seen a 360 in the bottom of a hedge (someone elses) that I think would be ideal for a few acres of hay on the MF35X. However it is missing the second PTO shaft that goes between the two rotor. The input shafts aren’t the usual 6 spline but instead a smooth shaft with a single key in a slot. Are these shafts hard or expensive to come by? Google has turned up the modern Kuhn equivalent parts diagram and it looks like a regular PTO shaft apart from the ends, but finding the complete shaft assembly is proving more difficult.
If they are either expensive or rare then I won’t bother asking about it but they aren’t too bad then it’ll be a good one to offer a bit for and fix up. Pic attached.
Thanks in advance

If you can drag it out get the tines off the floor (if the return springs are not broken they will be anyway). Spin the rotors whilst feeling the stub shafts. Might give you clues as to the state of the crowns and pinions. See if the direction shift lever is free. You will need guards for the shaft as, safety apart, material will wrap. Not standard guards either. The tines are cheap but the machine will need to be scrap money.

 

[multi power]

It looks like you might as well leave it in hedgerow condition. By the time you have spent money getting it going, better off buying a used working one for around £500

Where are you going to find a pz 360 for £500 in good order?

 

[haybob]

Sorry I was just suggesting to Adam, to look out for any simple used haybob . It just so happened that his local hedge contained a 360. I got the impression that any machine that works is good enough for a few acres.

 

[glasshouse]

Just to resurrect this thread a bit, I’ve seen a 360 in the bottom of a hedge (someone elses) that I think would be ideal for a few acres of hay on the MF35X. However it is missing the second PTO shaft that goes between the two rotor. The input shafts aren’t the usual 6 spline but instead a smooth shaft with a single key in a slot. Are these shafts hard or expensive to come by? Google has turned up the modern Kuhn equivalent parts diagram and it looks like a regular PTO shaft apart from the ends, but finding the complete shaft assembly is proving more difficult.
If they are either expensive or rare then I won’t bother asking about it but they aren’t too bad then it’ll be a good one to offer a bit for and fix up. Pic attached.
Thanks in advance

Buy it for £50
Shafts will be 50 to 60 each

 

[adam_farming]

Thanks for the replies. For all I know it might be an intended restoration project in hedge storage for the time being........
But I’ll have a word and see, seems like it will be worth fixing for not a huge cost if the initial outlay is not too great

 

[Dave W]

Buy it for £50
Shafts will be 50 to 60 each

can you tell me where you can buy a shaft for £50?

 

[andybk]

Where are you going to find a pz 360 for £500 in good order?

lol i just bought one for just over £400 , been stood for a while outside though , gear leaver was seized, (sorted by taking grease nipples out and generous spray of wd40 and keep wriggling )and flat (narrow) tyres , will do a job though . think i will put standard tines on to start see how we get on , and anyone know where to get springs ?

 

[multi power]

lol i just bought one for just over £400 , been stood for a while outside though , gear leaver was seized, (sorted by taking grease nipples out and generous spray of wd40 and keep wriggling )and flat (narrow) tyres , will do a job though . think i will put standard tines on to start see how we get on , and anyone know where to get springs ?

Just about anywhere that sells parts will have both springs and tines, or look on eBay