Hedges for EFA

haggard143

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Norfolk
Tried ringing the helpline today
Expected to have to listen to 30 mins of dyer music.
No
Was told I had to leave my number and someone will ring me back.

What foocking use is that?
I don`t carry my office around with me out side with all the details i need.
Still waiting for the ringback

Foocking useless
we rang on one phone,leave number no ring back 5 mins later rang on another phone and had 20 min wait and got finished (y):unsure::nailbiting::facepalm: hope its all right
 

Billboy1

Member
I had enough efa fallow last year without hedges and nothing has changed so presume I can just delete hedges? Also what hoops do you have to jump through if you include some ?
 

4course

Member
Location
north yorks
ar
Permanent Pasture. Does not count toward EFA requirement and thus the half hedge facing into the PG01 parcel cannot count twards EFA. But where that PP field has an adjacent arable field the other half of the hedge facing the arable ladn can count towards EFA allocated to the arable field.

Remember there is the option to use eligible margins on arable fields. No need really to use pulses as far as I can see.
are you sure about a hedge in pp not being usable.I have rung rpa and been informed that is the case plus you can also have a buffer strip on the arable side. ie I can have a half hedge plus the same hedge as an adjacent hedge and a buffer strip where a a pp field and an arable field are next to each otherand only seperated by the hedge and or not as the case may be a ditch.
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
I had enough efa fallow last year without hedges and nothing has changed so presume I can just delete hedges? Also what hoops do you have to jump through if you include some ?

I don't think you need to delete them....but just not claim them as EFA.

The new EFA table system is awful from what I found of it this morning - most confusing.

I like online applications....but I think the whole website is a mess, and for the money I'd have thought they could get something more "Amazon" like.
 

Billboy1

Member
I don't think you need to delete them....but just not claim them as EFA.

The new EFA table system is awful from what I found of it this morning - most confusing.

I like online applications....but I think the whole website is a mess, and for the money I'd have thought they could get something more "Amazon" like.

Yes normally straight forward looks abut confusing this time
 

Wombat

Member
BASIS
Location
East yorks
Went in to check my maps last night, thought i would have a look at the hedge layer by clicking the check box for hedges, i think every field was wrong so i unticked it and carried on using Fallow
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
Went in to check my maps last night, thought i would have a look at the hedge layer by clicking the check box for hedges, i think every field was wrong so i unticked it and carried on using Fallow

It’s like stewardship by the back door.

Or set aside but at 5x the payment related to it.

Silly thing is the public perception of paying farmers to keep fields empty is never positive.
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
not sure i understand, i just pop the cropped type and area in the box for the field, then add a line for the crop fallow for the grass margins (both added together equal the BPS claimable area) job done.

Ah i see. Was wondering if the margins were arable fields, and if you actually used the grass for late hay or such.
 

Wombat

Member
BASIS
Location
East yorks
Do you use the grass on the margins or just top it?

A couple of the bigger bits, 1ha+ we cut after the fallow date expires for some late haylage, been inspected 3yrs out of 3 and they have been fine with all our fallow (chap last year gave us some really positive comments and took a load of photos to show others), plus you don't need to do maps or anything for the fallow just do the area on the from
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
ar

are you sure about a hedge in pp not being usable.I have rung rpa and been informed that is the case plus you can also have a buffer strip on the arable side. ie I can have a half hedge plus the same hedge as an adjacent hedge and a buffer strip where a a pp field and an arable field are next to each otherand only seperated by the hedge and or not as the case may be a ditch.

Apologies, back to this thread. I have looked back and my post was poorly worded English and thus was wrong. The hedge between an arable and a permanent pasture can be claimed against the arable parcel as BF11 for the side facing the arable parcel and as BF12 adjacent hedge for the side facing into the permanent pasture. That Is my understanding which I think is same as you were told by RPA. And yes a field margin can also be claimed in the arable parcel, provided the hedge does not overhang. Regards.

But as ever I am just an anonymous person on the internet and as you correctly did check with the RPA or an agent. Hey ho.
 

David.

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
J11 M40
If you are going to use hedges for EFA, be certain that you have the correct cross compliance margin along it, else you risk it being disallowed on inspection.
I am going through ours, which are wrong, but even with the hedge lengths that RPA are showing the cumulative total appears to be enough to satisfy what we want.
So why complicate/delay things by sending RLE1s?
Suppose the answer is to get paid and then submit them very early for next year. There is no guarantee that the 9 sq m awarded per linear m will not reduce in future.
 

4course

Member
Location
north yorks
after phone calls to rpa last week 2 answered after a bit of a hold but not unreasonable, and 2 ring backs one never got returned or answered the other came the following day but when I was 20 miles away. I did write down the things and numbers etc I needed clarifiying just in case that happened so was able to resolve the query and also have made a record of the phone call time date name and advice given. Found the folks on the other end genuinley helpful and having filled in the return last friday have left it over the weekend just in case something comes to mind which it has so will go out with my wheel and physically measure a bit of fallow just to be sure.
Have managed to use some of the hedges that have been shown on the maps many are wrong either not shown not mine or figments of the satellites imagination ( presume it must be artificial intelligence !!) a bit of fallow on some temp grass a buffer strip or 2 along side ditches which are easily visible from above and less catch crop than last year due to the dates being pushed back into mid oct. No way will I compromise or risk delaying our optimum sowing dates,that is a shame as this last couple of years have found the catch crop areas to be a haven for wildlife as well as a benefit to soil structure we may still sow extra but it wont be as much which defeats the object of efa s. In total have ended up with about 1 and 2/3 rds of the amount of efa req and no rle1s to send ( Have just accepted with resignation a new field being created in a parcel and another being amalgamated ) .I have checked and double checked ive ticked the farmer box and shows our 3 crop rule and efa correct . So job done I think or is it ?
 

Billboy1

Member
If you don’t need to include hedges to satisfy your efa is it as simple as just deleting it off your land use section ( mine was pre populated ) ?
 

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