Hello and Welcome.

[Lowland1]

Bless you, but your mathematical prowess is on a par with @Danllan ‘s legal prowess….
Give the average life expectancy of parents and grandparents of your Kenyan Irish compatriots, the grand parent would have been born circa 1871.

Give grandpa 25 / 30 years to faf off to London, join the Navy or the foreign office, to head off to the colony’s to do the kings bidding. That would be 1900.
FFS….. the empire was at its peak, and a few paddy’s in Dublin were just about to pull the rug from under it.

You really need to brush up on your history. Kenya gained independence in 1963 prior to that it was a colony so plenty would have been born prior to that date and still be alive. Plenty of them came from your part of the world evidently not having your high moral standards about exploiting others less fortunate. So i could use my Grandfather who was born in 1910 as an example and there are some people even older than me who might have had Grandparents even older.

 

[JimAndy]

You really need to brush up on your history. Kenya gained independence in 1963 prior to that it was a colony so plenty would have been born prior to that date and still be alive. Plenty of them came from your part of the world evidently not having your high moral standards about exploiting others less fortunate. So i could use my Grandfather who was born in 1910 as an example and there are some people even older than me who might have had Grandparents even older.

i know 2 family's that came back from Kenya to live in N.I. Both move from RoI to Kenya in the 1930's with nothing more that the cloths on their backs, one was a protestant Grocer, who business dry up when the local Priest announced in chapel that all good Catholic's should shop in a rival store, the other was a catholic farmer who supported the british, cattle kept being stole by the IRA and when he di get something to the market. no one would buy it, or give a very bad price as the word had been put out by the IRA. with their family history once Kenya got independence , the sold up there farms and move back to N.I. as they didn' twant the same thing happing to them in Kenda as had happen in RoI

 

[Exfarmer]

I was under impression that refugees were supposed to seek asylum in the first safe country. So can we then assume that France is not safe or is it that these people are migrants and not refugees

Sadly that is a common misperception of International law. It is incorrect.

 

[Danllan]

Sadly that is a common misperception of International law. It is incorrect.

Yep, people seem to conflate the 'Dublin Regulation'* which is an EU matter with the UN Refugee Convention. The UK is no longer part of the former and, since there is no 'international law', adherence to the latter is purely a matter of choice for any given state.




*Which did, more or less, mean that a refugee could be returned to the first EU state they set foot in. But despite it, a lot of 'refugees' and EU states found it convenient for there to be no evidence of where they first turned up / landed / arrived... wonder why.

 

[SteveHants]

France is to get another £50 Million + of our money on top of what they already get to stop this happening. Something is very wrong in our border security and home office to allow this invasion every day. What is it costing to keep all these people ?


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It's funny how we can go into places with a military and it's associated arsenal and that's "peacekeeping" and some half drowned brown people is an "invasion".

 

[Danllan]

It's funny how we can go into places with a military and it's associated arsenal and that's "peacekeeping" and some half drowned brown people is an "invasion".

It usually is peacekeeping and I've done some of it.

That aside, it's not surprising you have no problem with the joys of multi-racial immigration, just tried looking up the demographics for Ledbury but could only find those for Herefordshire as a whole, 98.2% white.

 

[SteveHants]

It usually is peacekeeping and I've done some of it.

That aside, it's not surprising you have no problem with the joys of multi-racial immigration, just tried looking up the demographics for Ledbury but could only find those for Herefordshire as a whole, 98.2% white.

I'm from Salford (greater Manchester) originally.

But also, if that is peacekeeping, then you will agree that the refugees are even further from "an invasion" than your peacekeeping - that's not what an invasion looks like, is it?

 

[Danllan]

I'm from Salford (greater Manchester) originally.

But also, if that is peacekeeping, then you will agree that the refugees are even further from "an invasion" than your peacekeeping - that's not what an invasion looks like, is it?

But you escaped, felicitations!

I think that it depends upon one's literal point of view:

If, now and then, on the news you see some people on the coast walking up a beach, no it won't seem much of an invasion.

If you live in a coastal town and see the ones that the media don't show as well, it may well make you think differently.

If you live in a town / part of the country that now has white people as a minority, and you see many more immigrants still coming, the word 'invasion' could well seem pretty plausible.

Remind me of the figures for 'known' illegal immigration to this country, and tell me how those sort of numbers could wrongly be termed as an invasion; you may not like it and even think it a hyperbolic use, but it is perfectly reasonable in vernacular English.

Nos da.

 

[SteveHants]

But you escaped, felicitations!

I think that it depends upon one's literal point of view:

If, now and then, on the news you see some people on the coast walking up a beach, no it won't seem much of an invasion.

If you live in a coastal town and see the ones that the media don't show as well, it may well make you think differently.

If you live in a town / part of the country that now has white people as a minority, and you see many more immigrants still coming, the word 'invasion' could well seem pretty plausible.

Remind me of the figures for 'known' illegal immigration to this country, and tell me how those sort of numbers could wrongly be termed as an invasion; you may not like it and even think it a hyperbolic use, but it is perfectly reasonable in vernacular English.

Nos da.

It's nothing to do with numbers of people, is it?
Invasions tend to be led by some kind of armed military or paramilitary, insurgents, if you prefer. They tend to have some kind of weaponry and military tactics.
If you are going to invade a place, turning up half drowned and starving is hardly effective, is it?

"Known" figures for illegal immigration? What's the point in those? The very nature of illegal immigration means nobody has any idea how many there are.

Seeking political asylum is very much legal though. But I suspect you know that.

Hwyl fawr.

 

[wanton dwarf]

It's nothing to do with numbers of people, is it?
Invasions tend to be led by some kind of armed military or paramilitary, insurgents, if you prefer. They tend to have some kind of weaponry and military tactics.
If you are going to invade a place, turning up half drowned and starving is hardly effective, is it?

"Known" figures for illegal immigration? What's the point in those? The very nature of illegal immigration means nobody has any idea how many there are.

Seeking political asylum is very much legal though. But I suspect you know that.

Hwyl fawr.

By the words you are using you already know what you are saying is incorrect.

Lots of countries in history have rebelled against various cultural take overs, Uganda is the obvious one in recent history.

How can someone who is "Starving" afford £8,000 per person to criminal traffickers ?

"What's the point in those ?" .. if enough people of a different culture enter the UK. Get elected. Then pass laws to take over your property and make you a slave .. "What's the point ?"

 

[SteveHants]

By the words you are using you already know what you are saying is incorrect.

Lots of countries in history have rebelled against various cultural take overs, Uganda is the obvious one in recent history.

How can someone who is "Starving" afford £8,000 per person to criminal traffickers ?

"What's the point in those ?" .. if enough people of a different culture enter the UK. Get elected. Then pass laws to take over your property and make you a slave .. "What's the point ?"

No, the point was that you can't possibly know how many illegal immigrants there are because its, er illegal, so its a "best guess" scenario.

Different culture? Culture is dynamic, it changes all the time - if you honestly think your scenario will happen as opposed to the opposite (ie the children of non-western immigrants becoming westernised) you haven't met any immigrants.

 

[wanton dwarf]

No, the point was that you can't possibly know how many illegal immigrants there are because its, er illegal, so its a "best guess" scenario.

Different culture? Culture is dynamic, it changes all the time - if you honestly think your scenario will happen as opposed to the opposite (ie the children of non-western immigrants becoming westernised) you haven't met any immigrants.

The scenario is already here.

Islam doesn't obey your "Westernisation". Nor does arranged marriages. Nor does modern slavery. Nor does female genital mutilation. In fact I don't know of any culture that has come to the UK that is "Westernised".

In a majority non Western City, why should Western values even be taught ? They are not even relevant nor applicable. You already know that is happening at the moment because it's in the press.

Your culture and values are literally "Pointless" and you have made it so.

 

[SteveHants]

The scenario is already here.

Islam doesn't obey your "Westernisation". Nor does arranged marriages. Nor does modern slavery. Nor does female genital mutilation. In fact I don't know of any culture that has come to the UK that is "Westernised".

In a majority non Western City, why should Western values even be taught ? They are not even relevant nor applicable. You already know that is happening at the moment because it's in the press.

Your culture and values are literally "Pointless" and you have made it so.

You've never met a second gen immigrant from, say Pakistan, have you?

It shows, by the way.

 

[wanton dwarf]

You've never met a second gen immigrant from, say Pakistan, have you?

It shows, by the way.

Rather than coming up with some silly playground tactic trying to cast negativity on my personality.

Why don't you answer at least SOME of the points I made. An easy and obvious one is Islam - which BTW one of my Pakistani mates was Islamic who went on to be a Doctor in the North of the UK. BTW that's over 40 years ago.

BTW you are making me laugh at how poor your responses are.

 

[SteveHants]

Rather than coming up with some silly playground tactic trying to cast negativity on my personality.

Why don't you answer at least SOME of the points I made. An easy and obvious one is Islam - which BTW one of my Pakistani mates was Islamic who went on to be a Doctor in the North of the UK. BTW that's over 40 years ago.

BTW you are making me laugh at how poor your responses are.

Yeah, my Mrs is from Brum - her ex is a second gen Sikh. Most of her Uni mates (Aston) are asian - Muslim, Sikh, Hindu. Her kids are mixed race. I've literally met loads of the people you are talking about.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Yeah, my Mrs is from Brum - her ex is a second gen Sikh. Most of her Uni mates (Aston) are asian - Muslim, Sikh, Hindu. Her kids are mixed race. I've literally met loads of the people you are talking about.

Still dodging.

 

[SteveHants]

Still dodging.

Dodging what?
None of these people try to live a bizarre "separate existence" from British society.

Don't really know what your point is

 

[wanton dwarf]

Dodging what?
None of these people try to live a bizarre "separate existence" from British society.

Don't really know what your point is

A farming related point then .. what about the UK Pork industry and Islam ? What does someone who practices Islam think about you if you eat pork ?

 

[SteveHants]

A farming related point then .. what about the UK Pork industry and Islam ? What does someone who practices Islam think about you if you eat pork ?

They generally think you eat it and they don't (apart from the ones who scoff a bacon sandwich when dad isn't looking). I used to work on a pig unit ffs, I wasn't ritually scrubbed.
Given that 80% of meat consumed is pig and poultry, I recon the pig industry isn't too worried. Plenty of white people choose not to eat pork for many, unrelated reasons. So what?

Edited to add: the pig industries loss is the sheep industries gain - cull ewes will continue to be worth money.

 

[wanton dwarf]

They generally think you eat it and they don't (apart from the ones who scoff a bacon sandwich when dad isn't looking). I used to work on a pig unit ffs, I wasn't ritually scrubbed.
Given that 80% of meat consumed is pig and poultry, I recon the pig industry isn't too worried. Plenty of white people choose not to eat pork for many, unrelated reasons. So what?

Why would a practicing Islamic eat pork given this is evil ? As a 14 year old I put part of a sausage on my mates plate when he wasn't looking. He went balistic in a nice way ... but he did go balistic. Rightly so as far as his religious practices went.

Practicing Islamics don't eat pork. There would be no pork farms in an Islamic UK. Pork would not be sold. Pig farms would not exist. You would be considered unclean for eating pork.

Yet according to you second generation immigrants are "Westernised" and you repeat "So what ?"

You know what. You literally don't care. So what's the point in even talking to you ?

I don't know why you start bringing in "Colour" either, Islam is not a race and there are all kinds of people that are Islamic.