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SteveHants

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Livestock Farmer
Why would a practicing Islamic eat pork given this is evil ? As a 14 year old I put part of a sausage on my mates plate when he wasn't looking. He went balistic in a nice way ... but he did go balistic. Rightly so as far as his religious practices went.

Practicing Islamics don't eat pork. There would be no pork farms in an Islamic UK. Pork would not be sold. Pig farms would not exist. You would be considered unclean for eating pork.

Yet according to you second generation immigrants are "Westernised" and you repeat "So what ?"

You know what. You literally don't care. So what's the point in even talking to you ?

Because they don't all take it seriously, many abandon it by 2nd gen, in the same way that my gran was a devout catholic (Irish, 1st gen immigrant) and my dad's an atheist.

You seem to believe that the UK will somehow become a caliphate.
 
Because they don't all take it seriously, many abandon it by 2nd gen, in the same way that my gran was a devout catholic (Irish, 1st gen immigrant) and my dad's an atheist.

You seem to believe that the UK will somehow become a caliphate.


I don't know anyone who follows Islam that "doesn't take it seriously".

Everyone that I have met who follows Islam for example fasts during Rammadan.

How you can joke about "Caliphate" when people left the UK to create just that I don't know. Do you never reflect on your opinions ? Does the comment above even sound right to you given the people who had their heads chopped off and girls that were enslaved ?
 

SteveHants

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Livestock Farmer
I don't know anyone who follows Islam that "doesn't take it seriously".

Everyone that I have met who follows Islam for example fasts during Rammadan.

How you can joke about "Caliphate" when people left the UK to create just that I don't know. Do you never reflect on your opinions ? Does the comment above even sound right to you given the people who had their heads chopped off and girls that were enslaved ?
I know people who's parents are Muslim (1st gen) and now are not themselves (2nd gen). Religious belief is declining across all the younger demographics.

If you think that Islam is alone in having its extremist nutcases, you've not been paying attention to Northern Ireland - Do you think that Catholics shouldn't be here because the IRA exist?

I'm literally in a relationship with someone who is an example of this but sikh, not muslim. Hes 2nd gen sikh, she's white, their kids.... not religous
 

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
My wife knows plenty of people of Indian origin have moved from Kenya to the UK. Based on religion Hindu's, Sikhs and Christians blend in with no problems and in a generation are just dark British people and generally do pretty well for themselves. Unfortunately that's not the case for Muslims they are dragged down by a seventh century religion that's at odds with the society they've joined. They are trying to cling onto something that's gone and have become insular hence the tendency for extremism as a reaction to a failure to move forward in society. Immigration should only be allowed if those coming in are prepared to accept the values of the society they are joining.
 

Danllan

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It's nothing to do with numbers of people, is it?
Invasions tend to be led by some kind of armed military or paramilitary, insurgents, if you prefer. They tend to have some kind of weaponry and military tactics.
If you are going to invade a place, turning up half drowned and starving is hardly effective, is it?

"Known" figures for illegal immigration? What's the point in those? The very nature of illegal immigration means nobody has any idea how many there are.

Seeking political asylum is very much legal though. But I suspect you know that.

Hwyl fawr.
We must assume that the question in your first line is a p!ss take, if not it speaks volumes for a misunderstanding of the situation; because of course it is about numbers! Principles matter, but in the real world having half a dozen immigrants - legal or not - is nigh on irrelevant, having tens of thousands of times as many, year in year out, is of very great importance.

As for the remainder, something and nothing; vernacular use has already been covered. We have a very fair idea of how many illegal immigrants there are, do some homework and you might too...

Seeking political asylum is legal and, as a Barrister, I do know that; I also know that making a false claim is illegal, note that - it's not 'unlawful', it is a criminal offence.

But I'm intrigued: why do you think that having hundreds of thousands, leading to millions eventually, of self-selecting individuals come here from the third world is a good thing for this country; and does it matter to you that a every large majority of the population are against it?

For the record; I have no problem with legal immigration, on the basis of people coming here to settle and bringing skills we need; nor do I have a problem with helping genuine asylum seekers, who come on the understanding that they will be given refuge until safe to return to their homes - as per the UN Convention. I don't want and am actively against mass immigration, with the sole exception of the people of Hong Kong, who I think have a legal and moral right to come here and remain.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
nor do I have a problem with helping genuine asylum seekers, who come on the understanding that they will be given refuge until safe to return to their homes - as per the UN Convention.

I always fid this a difficult one to fully reconcile, as I suspect in reality next to no one ever returns back to their home country. :scratchhead:
 
I don't want and am actively against mass immigration, with the sole exception of the people of Hong Kong, who I think have a legal and moral right to come here and remain.


Mass Immigration is used as a political tool.

The obvious ones to benefit are Labour given most immigrants vote Labour for obvious reasons.

However, I have heard within the Conservative Party that there are organisations setup by David Cameron which specifically work against the "public mindset". I wouldn't be surprised that many of todays extreme actions we see in policy and corporations begin as policy enacted by these organisations.

The organistion when it was within HMG was called the "Nudge Unit".

It's now a private company:


I also heard about "People" making a profit out of asylum seekers. I wondered how this would be possible. The obvious ones to benefit are those who own accomodation such as 4 star Hotels. 3 months full of 1000s of Asylum seekers at the tax payers expense. Lawyers, security firms, catering, clothing, medication etc.
 

Pasty

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Location
Devon
Mass Immigration is used as a political tool.

The obvious ones to benefit are Labour given most immigrants vote Labour for obvious reasons.

However, I have heard within the Conservative Party that there are organisations setup by David Cameron which specifically work against the "public mindset". I wouldn't be surprised that many of todays extreme actions we see in policy and corporations begin as policy enacted by these organisations.

The organistion when it was within HMG was called the "Nudge Unit".

It's now a private company:


I also heard about "People" making a profit out of asylum seekers. I wondered how this would be possible. The obvious ones to benefit are those who own accomodation such as 4 star Hotels. 3 months full of 1000s of Asylum seekers at the tax payers expense. Lawyers, security firms, catering, clothing, medication etc.
Of course. Modern day slavery but with clean sheets. Genius.
 

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
Immigrants are cheap labour they will do the jobs other's won't. Even if it's for legal pay and conditions they can be easily treated poorly. My daughter had a few weeks working for our Veg packer in a factory they have in London where they process fruit. The attitude of the manager's was very poor towards the staff mainly because they knew these people needed the jobs and because they really didn't know their rights. It was a good lesson for my daughter and she is lucky because she doesn't need the job but it really upset her.
 

Pasty

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Location
Devon
Immigrants are cheap labour they will do the jobs other's won't. Even if it's for legal pay and conditions they can be easily treated poorly. My daughter had a few weeks working for our Veg packer in a factory they have in London where they process fruit. The attitude of the manager's was very poor towards the staff mainly because they knew these people needed the jobs and because they really didn't know their rights. It was a good lesson for my daughter and she is lucky because she doesn't need the job but it really upset her.
Yeah. Disgusting.
 

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