Help - shoot burning pheasants and feeding them to my pigs!!

Discussion in 'Agricultural Matters' started by muppet, Dec 31, 2018.

  1. Pasty

    Pasty Member

    Location:
    Devon
    We used to give meds to pheasant chicks. This was back in the 70's and I think was a wormer to prevent gapeworm or similar. But that wouldn't affect the eating of adult birds which got nothing but wheat. I can't see how it would be practical to give anything to adult birds without feeding it to other birds / squirrels etc. as well.
     
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  2. I don't know any shoots that are administering any drugs to birds once they are out of the release pens as it would be nigh on impossible!!

    Prescription medications are used when the birds are constrained in housing or pens, WITH a prescription from a Vet. Wormers are sometimes used, usually in pens which are used repeatedly IME.

    In my own case we buy in poults and I try to rotate the release pens and reduce the risk of gapes and other diseases, else it's a bit of wormer in the feed or water. We did have a bad batch of birds from a local breeder (through one of our Guns...!!) 3 years ago that brought a problem onto the farm, I lost 70-80% of the birds and as we agreed with the local AH Vets no point in trying to treat them, as the birds were already getting out. Happily, the ones that were out did seem to get better, but that may have been that they were the healthy ones! I cannot remember what it was now, but it kept the local carrion happy for a few days... :(

    Once out, the birds get wheat, although I do feed a pellet and wheat blend close to the pens for a few weeks more.
     
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  3. Dry Rot

    Dry Rot Member

    Location:
    Scottish Highlands
    My thoughts, too, though I am out of date and thought this might be something new.
     
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  4. Dry Rot

    Dry Rot Member

    Location:
    Scottish Highlands
    Emtryl? Banned as being possibly carcinogenic.
     
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  5. Pasty

    Pasty Member

    Location:
    Devon
    Yeah, possibly. Sounds familiar.
     
  6. principal skinner

    Location:
    Bedfordshire
    If your keeper is only returning 30% you need a new keeper and he needs a kick up the arris
     
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  7. An Gof

    An Gof Member

    Location:
    Cornwall
    I'm not sure @Shooting Builder is as knowledgeable as he thinks he is on the subject of game shooting.
     
  8. Longlowdog

    Longlowdog Member

    Location:
    Aberdeenshire
    I've studied gamekeeping at college and worked/beaten/picked up/shot on lots of estates, not one has ever treated birds after release from the pens a couple of months before shooting began.
    Returns of shot birds on estates with full time keepers ought to be approaching 50%. The studies by GWCT have shown most of the losses are down to predation or put another way feeding other animals.
    I've seen lots of estates either plucking birds for guns or giving birds to game dealers for free, society in this country does not value game anywhere near as highly as the rest of Europe where most British game ends up. Dog food accounts for a great deal of game as it is cheap protein and no so dependant on being 'table presentable'.
    Regarding the O.P...rented farm on not, I'd have gone f'n ballistic. It's a win win situation, they either apologise profusely or get a metric f'k tonne of interest from local papers, Food Standards Agency and anyone in a public office with a refuse disposal remit. You'd have to have some brass neck to try to defend that, and if they threatened to evict you you'd have no end of grounds for appeal at a hearing.
     
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  9. Shooting Builder

    Shooting Builder New Member

    An Gof/ Principal Skinner - across all shoots in 16/17 season following a survey by Savills, they found a average return of 38 per cent. What did you think the returns were ? Interestingly, the average cost to produce each bird was 12 quid, and my guess at 35 quid a bird was right across the country as an average.
     
  10. Longlowdog

    Longlowdog Member

    Location:
    Aberdeenshire
    Lots of small scale, part time keepered shoots have pretty low returns, for them predation and wandering are significant issues. Some predation is untreatable, raptors, pine martins, welsh polecats etc but others take time some shoots just don't have, corvid traps and trapping mustelids must be done daily or not at all to comply with the law. Foxing is often retained by landowners as a diversion with friends and not done with much conviction.
    Out of curiosity as I've not read Savills report, was it £12 per bird harvested or released? Harvested is a decent return, not so great if released and harvested at 38%.
     
  11. An Gof

    An Gof Member

    Location:
    Cornwall
    If you’re running a DIY shoot releasing poults and paying rent for the land you will really struggle to get anywhere near a cost of £12 per bird shot
     
  12. Longlowdog

    Longlowdog Member

    Location:
    Aberdeenshire
    Yeah, the economics of small shoots fascinates me, most rely on the kindness of one or two dedicated folk to provide low cost shooting for the syndicate. Without those folk giving up time and often dipping in to their own pockets for small sundries the costs would escalate or the shoots would fold. Been there, done that, got the tee-shirt and still had guys whinge about returns.
     
  13. pycoed

    pycoed Member

    Location:
    Pontarddulais, UK
    Not necessarily, it depends a lot on the ground, unfortunately, & the land owner (as opposed to the shooting rights owner):(:(
     
  14. I wonder if shooting builder is thinking of aniseed on the wheat?
     
  15. Small shoot accross the toad from me let off 150 and the lad feeding them was counting over 300 at the feeders
     
  16. JCMaloney

    JCMaloney Member

    Location:
    LE3 9EU
  17. Rob Holmes

    Rob Holmes Moderator

    @muppet, are you on the estate which is around the Duffield/Quarndon area?
     
  18. muppet

    muppet Member

    Location:
    Dorset
  19. Rob Holmes

    Rob Holmes Moderator

    Ok, there's a shoot in thatcarea which matches your description
     

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