Heptavac. Anyone not bother??

Discussion in 'Livestock & Forage' started by ThatsSomeSheep, Jan 11, 2017.

  1. Bwcho

    Bwcho Member

    Location:
    Cymru
    Pasteurella or pneumonia?
     
  2. Dropped Heptavac P here nearly 10 years ago.

    Covexin8 everything per lambing (have wondered about using Brovoxin10). Apart for 3 years ago iv not regretted it... and even then it was only a handful of ewes I lost - probably cost less then the savings Ive made. The change in weather pattern, I did wonder about going back to Help P... but iv not 'jumped' yet.

    Don't vaccinate any lambs, atall. Stopped that just over 10yr ago. Absolutely no regrets there!!
     
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  3. Bwcho

    Bwcho Member

    Location:
    Cymru
    Sorry @neilo, but just to clarify what the vet was saying:

    All lambs: Ovivac P.
    Ewe lambs(for breeding?): Heptavac P.
    All in-lamb ewes 4-6wks before lambing: Bravoxin 10.

    Have I got this right? Apologies for being a bit slow on the uptake :woot::bored:
     
  4. neilo

    neilo Member

    Location:
    Montgomeryshire
    As I understood it, yes. Shearling ewes were on Heptavac P I think, then onto Bravoxin after.

    It was a question I was going to ask next (after I had asked about pasteurella that's not covered by the 'P'), after reading about it on here. @andybk does just the same IIRC.
     
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  5. scholland

    scholland Member

    Location:
    ze3
    Sordelli (spelling?) is one of the 2 not covered by hep. Neighbour now does his sheep with bravoxin and we had about 6 or 8 sheep die of it 2 years ago in the fortnight before lambing. Not had any that I've been aware of again so haven't switched vaccine yet.
     
  6. neilo

    neilo Member

    Location:
    Montgomeryshire
    That's the one she mentioned.(y) Said it was getting more common.
     
  7. reverand

    reverand Member

    Location:
    East lancs hills
    Pasteurella pneumonia
     
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  8. sheepwise

    sheepwise Member

    Location:
    SW Scotland
    That's what we have always done here except use covexin instead of bravoxin.
     
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  9. dogandstick

    dogandstick Member

    Location:
    on the horizon
    What do you reckon of sticking with Heptavac and skipping the P then?
     

  10. You can't.

    The plain Heptavac was removed from the market about 4 years ago. This is why I moved to Covexin8.
     
  11. andybk

    andybk Member

    Location:
    Mendips Somerset
    yes done it that way for years , very rare to get pasturella in older sheep , though we do vax lambs as normal with ovivac p , and a booster in autumn (frosted clover and very new leys in winter after mild spells caused a few losses ) , and again following spring after shearing , then any keepers will go on covexin system pre lambing .
     
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  12. CharcoalWally

    CharcoalWally Member

    Location:
    West of Scotland
    No , @Guiggs , don't use anything at all.
     
  13. Coximus

    Coximus Member

    Is lambivac any good?
     
  14. sticky

    sticky Member

    Don't use anything,never have, and we buy and lamb anything from lambs to old ewes.
     
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  15. Newby

    Newby Member

    Location:
    East Yorkshire
    How long do you keep them?
     
  16. huwralph

    huwralph New Member

    Location:
    Abergavenny
    Where can this presentation be found?
     
  17. Tim W

    Tim W Member

    Location:
    Wiltshire
    Only started vaccinating for clostridials/pasturella 3 years ago (25 years without)
    Started due to large death rate in one flock one year
    It has vastly reduced lamb deaths from both causes
    lambs get Hepto+ and then onto Bravoxin as adults
    Here, adult deaths due to pasturella are v. low/non existent (as far as I know)
     
  18. shearerlad

    shearerlad Member

    At what price do folk reckon it becomes too expensive?

    I'm usually 50p per dose.

    All lambs get at same time as nemo dose and 2nd when ever 4 weeks after that occurs.
    Ewes pre lambing and also do hoggs at that time as I feel that it's too long to leave them until they are shearlings
     
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  19. Danllan

    Danllan Member

    I'll get my hard hat on before I go further, but... despite the obvious fact that we will always lose some sheep to disease, am I the only one who thinks that continually vaccinating will reduce the residual enrichment of more resistant genes in each person's and the national flock?

    I am sure there are people with good stat's to demonstrate that hept' / hept' P have done their flocks and profits the world of good; but I know others in all parts of the UK except NI - in addition to some posts above - who haven't noticed any positive difference and some who have even seen increased mortality.

    Surely to use either hept' without prior need is a mistake? And then to be a slave to it for evermore, rather than seek an alternative long-term solution(s) is just to compound the mistake.

    Edit to add: @bovine is this wishful thinking?
     
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2017
  20. Tim W

    Tim W Member

    Location:
    Wiltshire
    Agree with your thoughts ---the only reason I started using was because of a severe problem that developed
     

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