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Discussion in 'Livestock & Forage' started by ThatsSomeSheep, Jan 11, 2017.
Pasteurella or pneumonia?
Dropped Heptavac P here nearly 10 years ago.
Covexin8 everything per lambing (have wondered about using Brovoxin10). Apart for 3 years ago iv not regretted it... and even then it was only a handful of ewes I lost - probably cost less then the savings Ive made. The change in weather pattern, I did wonder about going back to Help P... but iv not 'jumped' yet.
Don't vaccinate any lambs, atall. Stopped that just over 10yr ago. Absolutely no regrets there!!
Sorry @neilo, but just to clarify what the vet was saying:
All lambs: Ovivac P.
Ewe lambs(for breeding?): Heptavac P.
All in-lamb ewes 4-6wks before lambing: Bravoxin 10.
Have I got this right? Apologies for being a bit slow on the uptake
As I understood it, yes. Shearling ewes were on Heptavac P I think, then onto Bravoxin after.
It was a question I was going to ask next (after I had asked about pasteurella that's not covered by the 'P'), after reading about it on here. @andybk does just the same IIRC.
Sordelli (spelling?) is one of the 2 not covered by hep. Neighbour now does his sheep with bravoxin and we had about 6 or 8 sheep die of it 2 years ago in the fortnight before lambing. Not had any that I've been aware of again so haven't switched vaccine yet.
That's the one she mentioned. Said it was getting more common.
That's what we have always done here except use covexin instead of bravoxin.
What do you reckon of sticking with Heptavac and skipping the P then?
The plain Heptavac was removed from the market about 4 years ago. This is why I moved to Covexin8.
yes done it that way for years , very rare to get pasturella in older sheep , though we do vax lambs as normal with ovivac p , and a booster in autumn (frosted clover and very new leys in winter after mild spells caused a few losses ) , and again following spring after shearing , then any keepers will go on covexin system pre lambing .
No , @Guiggs , don't use anything at all.
Is lambivac any good?
Don't use anything,never have, and we buy and lamb anything from lambs to old ewes.
How long do you keep them?
Where can this presentation be found?
Only started vaccinating for clostridials/pasturella 3 years ago (25 years without)
Started due to large death rate in one flock one year
It has vastly reduced lamb deaths from both causes
lambs get Hepto+ and then onto Bravoxin as adults
Here, adult deaths due to pasturella are v. low/non existent (as far as I know)
At what price do folk reckon it becomes too expensive?
I'm usually 50p per dose.
All lambs get at same time as nemo dose and 2nd when ever 4 weeks after that occurs.
Ewes pre lambing and also do hoggs at that time as I feel that it's too long to leave them until they are shearlings
I'll get my hard hat on before I go further, but... despite the obvious fact that we will always lose some sheep to disease, am I the only one who thinks that continually vaccinating will reduce the residual enrichment of more resistant genes in each person's and the national flock?
I am sure there are people with good stat's to demonstrate that hept' / hept' P have done their flocks and profits the world of good; but I know others in all parts of the UK except NI - in addition to some posts above - who haven't noticed any positive difference and some who have even seen increased mortality.
Surely to use either hept' without prior need is a mistake? And then to be a slave to it for evermore, rather than seek an alternative long-term solution(s) is just to compound the mistake.
Edit to add: @bovine is this wishful thinking?
Agree with your thoughts ---the only reason I started using was because of a severe problem that developed