Herdsman pay

Jdunn55

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There is a lot of young people out there without commitments that say they are looking for a job. This job would allow you to save significant cash to put towards a house or whatever.
52 weeks 500 pound a week 25000 a year if you really wanted to save money you could keep your expenses to 5k tax 5k. Your left with 15k at end of year 1 in your pocket. That's why the polish liked these jobs the ability to build capital and take home was huge.
20 year old Brits don't think like that.
I agree but the problem is like you say most young people dont think like that so it's completely pointless advertising the job for £10 an hour
 

Mur Huwcun

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There is a lot of young people out there without commitments that say they are looking for a job. This job would allow you to save significant cash to put towards a house or whatever.
52 weeks 500 pound a week 25000 a year if you really wanted to save money you could keep your expenses to 5k tax 5k. Your left with 15k at end of year 1 in your pocket. That's why the polish liked these jobs the ability to build capital and take home was huge.
20 year old Brits don't think like that.
It’s and ideal job for a 19 year old with a girlfriend, caravan every night, no bills. Save up, buy house and let it out for few years to cover half the mortgage. If they’re expecting a family person with experience they’ll be waiting a long long time
 

BRB John

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There is a lot of young people out there without commitments that say they are looking for a job. This job would allow you to save significant cash to put towards a house or whatever.
52 weeks 500 pound a week 25000 a year if you really wanted to save money you could keep your expenses to 5k tax 5k. Your left with 15k at end of year 1 in your pocket. That's why the polish liked these jobs the ability to build capital and take home was huge.
20 year old Brits don't think like that.
Yeah so really it's a job for a 16 year old for 5 years and then buy a house and move on basically.
A bit extreme but it's almost like a fixed term slavery agreement or the modern equivalent to one anyway.....
 
It’s and ideal job for a 19 year old with a girlfriend, caravan every night, no bills. Save up, buy house and let it out for few years to cover half the mortgage. If they’re expecting a family person with experience they’ll be waiting a long long time

Who wants to live in a mobile home now though, really?

The issue you have is that people who are 18-30, can work at McDonalds and still live at home with their parents and in fact many of them will as the statistics today show us.

How many hours/months or years are they going to work to be able to build the deposit for the average house on £9 an hour? For a 300K house, you need what, 15K saved? That's 1500 hours at £10/hour and you've still got tax and the rest to pay.

And are we forgetting the unsocial hours and scraping up slurry side of the job as well? Oh and you want people to milk as well. I think we can see how much these tasks are beginning to be valued.

And again, it is setting itself up for the employee to leave as once he has a house he can move jobs or get poached by someone else.
 
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East Mids
Yeah so really it's a job for a 16 year old for 5 years and then buy a house and move on basically.
A bit extreme but it's almost like a fixed term slavery agreement or the modern equivalent to one anyway.....
Fixed term slavery agreement?? !!! Rubbish. Minimum wage for a 16 year old is around £5/hour and that doesn't include accommodation!

The post does not say any experience is needed, just attention to detail and reliability, and that training will be given. Ideal for a youngster or a young couple and with no rent or household bills to find, I agree with you, an ideal way to be able to start saving to get a foot on a housing ladder and as a leg up to a career in the sector. But these sorts of opportunities are essential - I had a job once as a one year fixed term contract assistant herdswoman, designed specifically to give Uni graduates a year's more practical to then move up the system, it was exactly what I needed as I didn't come from a farming background. No expectation on either side to stay more than a year, free accommodation provided.
 

dave mountain

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Who wants to live in a mobile home now though, really?

The issue you have is that people who are 18-30, can work at McDonalds and still live at home with their parents and in fact many of them will as the statistics today show us.

How many hours/months or years are they going to work to be able to build the deposit for the average house on £9 an hour? For a 300K house, you need what, 15K saved? That's 1500 hours at £10/hour and you've still got tax and the rest to pay.

And are we forgetting the unsocial hours and scraping up slurry side of the job as well? Oh and you want people to milk as well. I think we can see how much these tasks are beginning to be valued.

And again, it is setting itself up for the employee to leave as once he has a house he can move jobs or get poached by someone else.
deposit isnt the issue for getting a mortgage. banks wont lend you anything at all if you earn £10/hour. If you were salaried on £30000 and doing 3000 hours/year then maybe they would lend £120k if you are very lucky, depending on your spending/disposable income, but that isnt a realistic scenario for most people.

a chap who works for me part time, he also has had a steady £10/hour job with 40hrs/wk at a shop where hes worked for 8 years. he has saved £35k for a deposit, the banks are not the slightest bit interested. deposit doesn't mean you can afford the repayments.
 
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East Mids
Who wants to live in a mobile home now though, really?

The issue you have is that people who are 18-30, can work at McDonalds and still live at home with their parents and in fact many of them will as the statistics today show us.

How many hours/months or years are they going to work to be able to build the deposit for the average house on £9 an hour? For a 300K house, you need what, 15K saved? That's 1500 hours at £10/hour and you've still got tax and the rest to pay.

And are we forgetting the unsocial hours and scraping up slurry side of the job as well? Oh and you want people to milk as well. I think we can see how much these tasks are beginning to be valued.

And again, it is setting itself up for the employee to leave as once he has a house he can move jobs or get poached by someone else.
Why do you expect your first house to be at an average price? The norm is to start at the bottom!!! I (on my own) didn't buy my first house until I was 28 and it was a 2 bed terraced property.

Not everyone actually wants to work at MacDonalds (and some of those shifts are pretty unsociable hours, open for breakfasts or until late and including weekends and bank holidays).

Not everyone wants to have to deal with customers or to be indoors all the time.

Not everyone wants to live with their parents, they want to get some independence and a mobile home can actually be pretty damn good!

We hear a lot about farmers struggling for staff, but many want the oven ready trained up operator and there are few opportunities for fresh blood to get a foot in the door even as an employee let alone setting up on their own.
 

BRB John

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Fixed term slavery agreement?? !!! Rubbish. Minimum wage for a 16 year old is around £5/hour and that doesn't include accommodation!

The post does not say any experience is needed, just attention to detail and reliability, and that training will be given. Ideal for a youngster or a young couple and with no rent or household bills to find, I agree with you, an ideal way to be able to start saving to get a foot on a housing ladder and as a leg up to a career in the sector. But these sorts of opportunities are essential - I had a job once as a one year fixed term contract assistant herdswoman, designed specifically to give Uni graduates a year's more practical to then move up the system, it was exactly what I needed as I didn't come from a farming background. No expectation on either side to stay more than a year, free accommodation provided.

I only mean slavery as it's a job you would have to give your all to.
I do agree these jobs are important for young people who have alot to gain from the experience.
Personally I think I would of been alot better doing a job like that than wasting 3 years at SAC.
But it is in no way suitable for anyone probably over 25.
And your quite frankly bonkers if you think £5 an hour is an acceptable amount for that workload regardless of age (I'm sure you don't and that's probably just a stupid government figure).
 
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One thing no one has pointed out is the value of going to work for these people, I wish I'd had the opportunity of that job as a teenager, if you wanted to learn the job I'd have thought there'd be no better place, £9 an hour and a proper education in dairying, but then most would probably prefer pissing their grant/student loan/whatever up the wall at Harper.
Yup, at age 18, my pre-Uni year was £10/week, portakabin accommodation, but no bills and food provided, long hours, but (with no prior experience but a good head on my shoulders and a reliable grafter) my goodness me I learned a lot and we had such a laugh (several youngsters there). 1980's, 210 cows + followers/beef, bottling milk/cream, poultry, small sheep flock, Christmas poultry, layers, bit of veg for the farm shop. I'm not endorsing the £10/week, even then, but I had tried for 5 months writing job application letters/phone calls. The most memorable rejection was 'oh we only employ girls in the packhouse, they are not allowed to drive tractors' (from one of Britain's largest and best known bulb growers at the time).

That job was exactly the grounding I needed and the experience and training was worth far more than an extra ££££ per week.
 

pappuller

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There is a lot of young people out there without commitments that say they are looking for a job. This job would allow you to save significant cash to put towards a house or whatever.
52 weeks 500 pound a week 25000 a year if you really wanted to save money you could keep your expenses to 5k tax 5k. Your left with 15k at end of year 1 in your pocket. That's why the polish liked these jobs the ability to build capital and take home was huge.
20 year old Brits don't think like that.
They'd rather rent a house for £700 a month than a mortgage at £500, purely because they can't gather a deposit and they don't want commitment. Living on less than £100/ week is some mean feat today.
 

dave mountain

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They'd rather rent a house for £700 a month than a mortgage at £500, purely because they can't gather a deposit and they don't want commitment. Living on less than £100/ week is some mean feat today.
Thats not true. Just because you can afford £700/month in rent now, doesn't mean you can afford £500/month for the whole term of the mortgage, accounting for rate rises, house price crashes, recessions etc. Loads of people currently renting have deposits and want a mortgage but the banks wont give them one (because their income is too low) which makes them understandably quite angry.

People seem to have forgotten very quickly about the sub-prime mortgage crisis which collapsed the global economy not even 15 years ago, which was caused precisely by banks making exactly these kinds of loans.
 

pappuller

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Thats not true. Just because you can afford £700/month in rent now, doesn't mean you can afford £500/month for the whole term of the mortgage, accounting for rate rises, house price crashes, recessions etc. Loads of people currently renting have deposits and want a mortgage but the banks wont give them one (because their income is too low) which makes them understandably quite angry.

People seem to have forgotten very quickly about the sub-prime mortgage crisis which collapsed the global economy not even 15 years ago, which was caused precisely by banks making exactly these kinds of loans.
I beg yo differ, after having 15 yrs in the btl game I feel that renters pre 2008 felt house prices were too high and were waiting for a correction, the new generation of renters seem to have less inclination to save and don't want the commitment of a long term loan.
 

dave mountain

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I beg yo differ, after having 15 yrs in the btl game I feel that renters pre 2008 felt house prices were too high and were waiting for a correction, the new generation of renters seem to have less inclination to save and don't want the commitment of a long term loan.
There will be some who think like that, but the majority are simply unable to buy. It is an awful lot harder to get on the housing ladder than pre-2008, mainly due to the much stricter requirements for who banks will lend money to. Once you have the first house or other asset to back the loan it is quite easy thereafter, as your income is less of a consideration. Those trying to buy their first home post-2008 are going to have a much more difficult time than any previous generation and it's not fair to say they aren't interested or inclined, it's just a LOT more difficult.
 
One thing no one has pointed out is the value of going to work for these people, I wish I'd had the opportunity of that job as a teenager, if you wanted to learn the job I'd have thought there'd be no better place, £9 an hour and a proper education in dairying, but then most would probably prefer pissing their grant/student loan/whatever up the wall at Harper.

So you don't see any value in formal education for anyone hoping to work in agriculture?

I think I see a bit of a problem for the industry at large if that is the case.
 

dave mountain

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So you don't see any value in formal education for anyone hoping to work in agriculture?

I think I see a bit of a problem for the industry at large if that is the case.
Not just agriculture, formal and university level qualifications are quite useless in many industries without the on-the-ground experience and learning which should precede them, but often doesn't. Hence there is an "overqualified" population of people who actually don't have a clue about their respective industries, despite degree level qualifications.
 

Kiss

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If they desire to buy a house they can it’s completely possible, it’s called not having the latest iPhone, car on the monthly, net flix, constantly drinking energy drinks, smoking etc the opportunity cost to that lifestyle is property ownership

Saving £15k to buy a house for £150k on a 30k salary is possible! A few years ago you would of only needed to earn maybe 27k mind! Renting isn’t bad the cost is pretty fixed it’s when you own it and need a new bathroom, door it mounts up, I would say buying a house actually worked out more expensive for us but we retained more in property value increase and paying down the debt.

I don’t think it’s difficult to borrow money to buy your first house, it’s just about been sensible with money because they did ask where x and y went
 
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whenever these threads come up I can’t help but chuckle. As I say every time I have mates who are managers in Aldi that do very well o think roughly £30-£40k a year. They are expect to commute up to an hour( in contract they can move you to any store within that and they don’t have to pay mileage for that) they work anti social hours, 50 + hours a week, must be clean shaven, must be freshly showered, can’t turn up looking like a bag of sh!t from the night before and are absolutely performance managed at every turn. One I know of got sacked for taking a sandwich out of the bin to eat.
Wife works as a med sec, band 2/3, travels up to 40 miles a day at her own expense 40 hours a week and I think starting salary is £18.5k. Again far from this eutopia where you roll out of college land a 50k job have no responsibility and don’t get a bollocking if it goes wrong.

to the OP if you have asked two years in a row then your not happy where you are is my opinion. We pay what we can afford to people and strive to provide the best working environment possible. Plenty others Will chase the money and work themselves to death in the middle of it.
 

dave mountain

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If they desire to buy a house they can it’s completely possible, it’s called not having the latest iPhone, car on the monthly, net flix, constantly drinking energy drinks, smoking etc the opportunity cost to that lifestyle is property ownership

Saving £15k to buy a house for £150k on a 30k salary is possible! A few years ago you would of only needed to earn maybe 27k mind! Renting isn’t bad the cost is pretty fixed it’s when you own it and need a new bathroom, door it mounts up, I would say buying a house actually worked out more expensive for us but we retained more in property value increase and paying down the debt.

I don’t think it’s difficult to borrow money to buy your first house, it’s just about been sensible with money because they did ask where x and y went
Yes completely possible, but a lot more difficult than ever before. Saving deposit is the easy part, getting mortgage in principle, then a house you can actually afford are the hard parts. You certainly wouldn't get a house for £150k round here, so would need much more than £30k salary even on a 35 year mortgage. Getting a salary over £30k certainly wouldn't be easy unless very skilled and experienced at a young age.
 
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