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[Cowabunga]

At least 30% of land being actively managed for nature is the latest 'demand'.

Welsh election 2021: New laws demand to halt Wales' mass extinction

Ahead of the Senedd election on 6 May, environmental charities urge politicians to take action.

www.bbc.co.uk

What a crock of s**t...

Nature and wildlife in Wales is undergoing a "mass extinction event", environmental charities have said.
Ahead of next week's election, they have urged politicians to take action, with measures such as new, legally binding targets on biodiversity.
A major study in 2019 suggested one in six species in Wales were at risk of extinction.
Campaigners want the issue to be given the same priority as plans to fight climate change.
They have also called for a national nature service, offering jobs to people on wildlife restoration schemes, and for 30% of land and sea to be actively managed for nature by 2030.

 

[Hilly]

At least 30% of land being actively managed for nature is the latest 'demand'.

Welsh election 2021: New laws demand to halt Wales' mass extinction

Ahead of the Senedd election on 6 May, environmental charities urge politicians to take action.

www.bbc.co.uk

What a crock of s**t...

Nature and wildlife in Wales is undergoing a "mass extinction event", environmental charities have said.
Ahead of next week's election, they have urged politicians to take action, with measures such as new, legally binding targets on biodiversity.
A major study in 2019 suggested one in six species in Wales were at risk of extinction.
Campaigners want the issue to be given the same priority as plans to fight climate change.
They have also called for a national nature service, offering jobs to people on wildlife restoration schemes, and for 30% of land and sea to be actively managed for nature by 2030.

The only species under threat is the farmer, as you say what a crock of sh!t .

 

[Kevtherev]

Badgers aren’t under threat of extinction

 

[Cab-over Pete]

I wish politicians were one of the endangered.

 

[betweenthelines]

But isn't a large area of land NOT intensively farmed-Mountains, moorland, marsh land and organic?

Add on all the odd bits, field corners, banks, hedges etc, and you're probably there or thereabouts anyway.

 

[Mark Hatton]

Haven't The National Trust proved in the last week just how much charities really don't know about the environment??

 

[Cowabunga]

Badgers aren’t under threat of extinction

That is a very good point actually. Apex predators of land and air are not allowed to be managed. Yet these nutters want to control every aspect of our land management while apex predators ravage ground nesting birds and small mammals already, including stoats and hedgehogs. No wonder that THEY are causing what they perceive to be "mass extinction". Imagine if 'they' had full control.

 

[neilo]

But isn't a large area of land NOT intensively farmed-Mountains, moorland, marsh land and organic?

Add on all the odd bits, field corners, banks, hedges etc, and you're probably there or thereabouts anyway.

I read somewhere that Powys was the mostly densely wooded county in the UK.

I’d say we weren’t doing too bad a job of nature in Wales now, where most of the more intensively farmed areas are covered in a patchwork of small fields, largely surrounded by hedges and trees.
Certainly around here most of those landscapes also feature small patches of mixed woodland dotted about, joined up by a network of wildlife corridors.

Of course none of that would make such startling headlines.

 

[Cowabunga]

But isn't a large area of land NOT intensively farmed-Mountains, moorland, marsh land and organic?

Add on all the odd bits, field corners, banks, hedges etc, and you're probably there or thereabouts anyway.

Yes but I think they mean 30% of land that is currently actively farmed being 'rewilded', reading between the lines. Basically they want full management control of the land. To nationalise it by on the cheap while paying only their 'consultants'.
Far too many young people have gone through "countryside and land management" courses as opposed to 'agriculture'. They are mostly hippies and wasters who now find that there is no job prospect unless they invent their own prospects.

 

[Kevtherev]

That is a very good point actually. Apex predators of land and air are not allowed to be managed. Yet these nutters want to control every aspect of our land management while apex predators ravage ground nesting birds and small mammals already, including stoats and hedgehogs. No wonder that THEY are causing what they perceive to be "mass extinction". Imagine if 'they' had full control.

Exactly

 

[betweenthelines]

Take an area the size of Wales and centre it over any part of Central England and see how much of that is wildlife friendly!

People who want the "countryside" managed for wildlife often live in the middle of large cities.

 

[Cowabunga]

I read somewhere that Powys was the mostly densely wooded county in the UK.

I’d say we weren’t doing too bad a job of nature in Wales now, where most of the more intensively farmed areas are covered in a patchwork of small fields, largely surrounded by hedges and trees.
Certainly around here most of those landscapes also feature small patches of mixed woodland dotted about, joined up by a network of wildlife corridors.

Of course none of that would make such startling headlines.

"Mass extinction event" apparently. What utter and absolute balls! That the BBC or anyone else gives these idiots the time of day is an appalling example of the way the tide is flowing I'm afraid.

 

[melted welly]

"Mass extinction event" apparently. What utter and absolute balls! That the BBC or anyone else gives these idiots the time of day is an appalling example of the way the tide is flowing I'm afraid.

The bbc ARE these idiots.

 

[DrWazzock]

Next to us in the arable east, 2000 acres of forestry commission wilderness, 50 acres of woodland and meadow that hasn’t even been grazed for 30 years. Scrub, woodland, wild bits a plenty, absolutely sufficient for an amount of wildlife proportionate to the many conflicting needs of the country.
I really don’t think there is any biodiversity crisis at all other than in some peoples minds.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I'm interested in the whole debate and the more I read and observe I think we farmers still need to become more open minded about nature conservation etc because there are some places in Wales which are managed so reductionist for agriculture it is truly depressing. We can collectively do so much better.

BUT - this is the same Welsh Govt who kicked me off an agri environment scheme after 15 years (no reason) and I can't get onto a new one so I'm definitely not very trusting of any policy announcements.


No one on here will be much interested but I definitely recommend Benedict McDonalds book Rebirding to give some context.

 

[DrWazzock]

The biggest threat faced by birds is cats and to some extent dogs walked off lead through the countryside. You can create as many habitats as you like but while you have a huge number of well looked after predators you will have an uphill struggle increasing numbers.

 

[Hilly]

My place is humping in wild life I watched 6 curlew flying about this morning , while looking for a new born calf I put a fox up 6 meters away from the calf I will add ! Going by mums reaction to my dog fox had no hope in hell mind , ravens golden plover flying over , too many to mention and probably farm more intense than most in imidiate locality .

 

[Ukjay]

Badgers aren’t under threat of extinction

I was watching the badgers trundle across our fields through the NV the other night - didn't seem to have a care in the world

 

[davidroberts30]

The biggest threat faced by birds is cats and to some extent dogs walked off lead through the countryside. You can create as many habitats as you like but while you have a huge number of well looked after predators you will have an uphill struggle increasing numbers.

Exactly!!and magpies

I've had the best part of 70magpies off our place last 5 year and the song bird population is thriving!

 

[Bury the Trash]

Exactly!!and magpies

I've had the best part of 70magpies off our place last 5 year and the song bird population is thriving!

How? Traps? I find the beggars bit too wary to shoot