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Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
At least 30% of land being actively managed for nature is the latest 'demand'.


What a crock of s**t...

Nature and wildlife in Wales is undergoing a "mass extinction event", environmental charities have said.
Ahead of next week's election, they have urged politicians to take action, with measures such as new, legally binding targets on biodiversity.
A major study in 2019 suggested one in six species in Wales were at risk of extinction.
Campaigners want the issue to be given the same priority as plans to fight climate change.
They have also called for a national nature service, offering jobs to people on wildlife restoration schemes, and for 30% of land and sea to be actively managed for nature by 2030.
 

Hilly

Member
At least 30% of land being actively managed for nature is the latest 'demand'.


What a crock of s**t...

Nature and wildlife in Wales is undergoing a "mass extinction event", environmental charities have said.
Ahead of next week's election, they have urged politicians to take action, with measures such as new, legally binding targets on biodiversity.
A major study in 2019 suggested one in six species in Wales were at risk of extinction.
Campaigners want the issue to be given the same priority as plans to fight climate change.
They have also called for a national nature service, offering jobs to people on wildlife restoration schemes, and for 30% of land and sea to be actively managed for nature by 2030.
The only species under threat is the farmer, as you say what a crock of sh!t .
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Badgers aren’t under threat of extinction
That is a very good point actually. Apex predators of land and air are not allowed to be managed. Yet these nutters want to control every aspect of our land management while apex predators ravage ground nesting birds and small mammals already, including stoats and hedgehogs. No wonder that THEY are causing what they perceive to be "mass extinction". Imagine if 'they' had full control. :eek:
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
But isn't a large area of land NOT intensively farmed-Mountains, moorland, marsh land and organic?

Add on all the odd bits, field corners, banks, hedges etc, and you're probably there or thereabouts anyway.

I read somewhere that Powys was the mostly densely wooded county in the UK.

I’d say we weren’t doing too bad a job of nature in Wales now, where most of the more intensively farmed areas are covered in a patchwork of small fields, largely surrounded by hedges and trees.
Certainly around here most of those landscapes also feature small patches of mixed woodland dotted about, joined up by a network of wildlife corridors.

Of course none of that would make such startling headlines.😡
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
But isn't a large area of land NOT intensively farmed-Mountains, moorland, marsh land and organic?

Add on all the odd bits, field corners, banks, hedges etc, and you're probably there or thereabouts anyway.
Yes but I think they mean 30% of land that is currently actively farmed being 'rewilded', reading between the lines. Basically they want full management control of the land. To nationalise it by on the cheap while paying only their 'consultants'.
Far too many young people have gone through "countryside and land management" courses as opposed to 'agriculture'. They are mostly hippies and wasters who now find that there is no job prospect unless they invent their own prospects.
 

Kevtherev

Member
Location
Welshpool Powys
That is a very good point actually. Apex predators of land and air are not allowed to be managed. Yet these nutters want to control every aspect of our land management while apex predators ravage ground nesting birds and small mammals already, including stoats and hedgehogs. No wonder that THEY are causing what they perceive to be "mass extinction". Imagine if 'they' had full control. :eek:
Exactly
 

Cowabunga

Member
Location
Ceredigion,Wales
I read somewhere that Powys was the mostly densely wooded county in the UK.

I’d say we weren’t doing too bad a job of nature in Wales now, where most of the more intensively farmed areas are covered in a patchwork of small fields, largely surrounded by hedges and trees.
Certainly around here most of those landscapes also feature small patches of mixed woodland dotted about, joined up by a network of wildlife corridors.

Of course none of that would make such startling headlines.😡
"Mass extinction event" apparently. What utter and absolute balls! That the BBC or anyone else gives these idiots the time of day is an appalling example of the way the tide is flowing I'm afraid.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Next to us in the arable east, 2000 acres of forestry commission wilderness, 50 acres of woodland and meadow that hasn’t even been grazed for 30 years. Scrub, woodland, wild bits a plenty, absolutely sufficient for an amount of wildlife proportionate to the many conflicting needs of the country.
I really don’t think there is any biodiversity crisis at all other than in some peoples minds.
 
I'm interested in the whole debate and the more I read and observe I think we farmers still need to become more open minded about nature conservation etc because there are some places in Wales which are managed so reductionist for agriculture it is truly depressing. We can collectively do so much better.

BUT - this is the same Welsh Govt who kicked me off an agri environment scheme after 15 years (no reason) and I can't get onto a new one so I'm definitely not very trusting of any policy announcements.


No one on here will be much interested but I definitely recommend Benedict McDonalds book Rebirding to give some context.

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The biggest threat faced by birds is cats and to some extent dogs walked off lead through the countryside. You can create as many habitats as you like but while you have a huge number of well looked after predators you will have an uphill struggle increasing numbers.
Exactly!!and magpies

I've had the best part of 70magpies off our place last 5 year and the song bird population is thriving!
 

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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