High magnesium soils

[ollie989898]

I would not use prilled lime except for fire brigade scenarios or your apple orchard. Ground lime is dirt cheap for what it is, don't go making the job more complex than it needs to be. Why the heck people need to add mist and mystery to the lime job I have no idea. Test the dirt, if it needs it, get it delivered and spread by a man with a spreader. It ain't rocket science. Why farmers persist with trying to do everything themselves and fudge about I have no idea. I've heard of folk trying to spread lime with a dung-spreader before as well. It's madness.

How the hell is prilled lime superior than ground lime given that they are virtually the same thing only one is formed into little prills?! As you suggesting they should go around throwing 2 tonne/acre on of prilled lime when it costs £100/tonne? Yeah, I can see that happening.

Oh and the you need to add calcium whenever you apply nitrogen line is also ball socks.

 

[bravheart]

Never used prilled lime but is it not the only short term fix once a crop is in the ground.

 

[PSQ]

Never used prilled lime but is it not the only short term fix once a crop is in the ground.

By “short term fix” I take it you really mean “bodge”?

Surely no one would ever run down their pH to the point of needing to spend 5 times as much per tonne on a 5th of the application rate?

 

[Cab-over Pete]

Prilled lime won’t cure anything. It works, no doubt, but it’s not a cure.

 

[Warnesworth]

Oh and the you need to add calcium whenever you apply nitrogen line is also ball socks.

Yes, of course @ollie989898, silly me, basing my recommendations on fact, not idle conjecture!

 

[Coximus]

What book is that?

 

[ollie989898]

What book is that?

Essential soil science for the layman, 7th edition. 1879.

 

[Warnesworth]

Essential soil science for the layman, 7th edition. 1879.

Judging by your facetious response @ollie989898 you think that basic chemical reactions have changed in 140 years.

I think you'll find that chemical reactions are the same no matter how long ago they were published.

It's 1988 actually.

Anymore pointless comments?

 

[Warnesworth]

What book is that?

Crop nutrition and fertiliser use. John Archer. ADAS. 1988.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

That’s a good useful book and even I can understand some of it!

 

[ollie989898]

Judging by your facetious response @ollie989898 you think that basic chemical reactions have changed in 140 years.

I think you'll find that chemical reactions are the same no matter how long ago they were published.

It's 1988 actually.

Anymore pointless comments?

I can think of many.

Are you quite done flogging high margin prilled lime?

 

[Warnesworth]

I can think of many

Enlighten us with your 'ballsocks' then please....

 

[Warnesworth]

Are you quite done flogging high margin prilled lime?

I don't sell it and I don't profit from it. It's the best lime product out there, in my opinion.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

You cannot say that for every farm @Warnesworth I’m afraid.

Buying liming products has historically been, and will ALWAYS be a spec vs cost equation equalling unit cost.

I’m no saying it doesn’t work and I never have. It does work, but it WILL NOT work any better than a high quality ground lime. It will not because it cannot - it’s exactly the same stuff.

 

[Warnesworth]

You cannot say that for every farm @Warnesworth I’m afraid.

Buying liming products has historically been, and will ALWAYS be a spec vs cost equation equalling unit cost.

I’m no saying it doesn’t work and I never have. It does work, but it WILL NOT work any better than a high quality ground lime. It will not because it cannot - it’s exactly the same stuff.

Pete.
You and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this. I have never said it works 'any better' . I know it's the same stuff. It's the best product IMO for all the reasons I have outlined earlier in this thread and we have been over this.

It works perfectly well on all the farms over the country where I recommend it. I have not yet found anywhere where it hasn't achieved what we wanted. End of.

 

[ollie989898]

A man who deliberately makes an issue more complex than it needs to be is a cause for concern in my book....

 

[Cab-over Pete]

That’s a well put point @Warnesworth and you’re right, we should agree to disagree.

I too have never failed to achieve what I want to - with ground lime.



But we should agree to disagree because of one more important point.....

I’m boring myself now let alone everybody else!!!!

 

[Warnesworth]

A man who deliberately makes an issue more complex than it needs to be is a cause for concern in my book....

What exactly am I making more complex? It's all just good basic husbandry that any half-decent agronomist should know and understand.

Now have you got any relevant comments or discussion, or are you going to continue with personal insults in a vain attempt to win an argument you have already lost?

 

[Warnesworth]

That’s a well put point @Warnesworth and you’re right, we should agree to disagree.

I too have never failed to achieve what I want to - with ground lime.



But we should agree to disagree because of one more important point.....

I’m boring myself now let alone everybody else!!!!

Well said.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

What?...... the boring everybody bit?!!