High quality ewe nut , Mole valley champion 18% , or For Farmers super ewbol21

[andybk]

we usually feed straights , (south west ), but with the price of grain and proteins this year , im looking at a high quality ewe nut , only about 8t blown , been quoted about £248 for mole valley champion (18%) , and £264 for farmers ewbol 21 (21%) ,cheapness isnt the criteria, but best to use for milking ewes for a short time , anyone have an opinion that have used either

 

[Pistonbroke]

When I was in college we did a blind feed trial for Bibby with 16,18, and 20% cakes and after three weeks the 20% bunch were losing so much condition they had to be taken off it. The excess protein was mobilising too much bodyfat and causing too many problems. That was north country mules with twins

 

[ollie989898]

I need to see a complete list of the ingredients and I will tell you which offers the better product. Look for one containing megalac, work out if you are needing more energy or more protein.

 

[Nithsdale]

When I was in college we did a blind feed trial for Bibby with 16,18, and 20% cakes and after three weeks the 20% bunch were losing so much condition they had to be taken off it. The excess protein was mobilising too much bodyfat and causing too many problems. That was north country mules with twins

IMO I'd never want to go over 18% protein...

You put it much better, my words are too much protein and they just skitter themselves thin

 

[shields kaiser]

Super Ewbol hands down for colostrum quantity prior to lambing and milk volume post lambing. Lambs grow like mushrooms. Although as the above post says, keep an eye on BC, usually best to change onto an 18% lower DUP after 3 weeks or so

 

[exmoor dave]

we usually feed straights , (south west ), but with the price of grain and proteins this year , im looking at a high quality ewe nut , only about 8t blown , been quoted about £248 for mole valley champion (18%) , and £264 for farmers ewbol 21 (21%) ,cheapness isnt the criteria, but best to use for milking ewes for a short time , anyone have an opinion that have used either

Mvf Prestige 20% ewe nut.... expensive....but I've been very pleased with it.

Slightly smaller harder nut then normal cake so can be mixed with cereals for feeding via 3-1 feeders as well if you like, obvs waters down the ration doing that but it works nicely

Bulk only

 

[andybk]

I need to see a complete list of the ingredients and I will tell you which offers the better product. Look for one containing megalac, work out if you are needing more energy or more protein.

the forfarmers one has a protected fat , they are going to send a list of ingredients will post it up when they do

 

[andybk]

Mvf Prestige 20% ewe nut.... expensive....but I've been very pleased with it.

Slightly smaller harder nut then normal cake so can be mixed with cereals for feeding via 3-1 feeders as well if you like, obvs waters down the ration doing that but it works nicely

Bulk only

thats the one you told me about before , could only find the premier and champion , i will ask about this one , is it supposed to be a lamb pellet ? as would need to be fair bit smaller to go through the 3 in 1

 

[exmoor dave]

thats the one you told me about before , could only find the premier and champion , i will ask about this one , is it supposed to be a lamb pellet ? as would need to be fair bit smaller to go through the 3 in 1

No its a ewe nut, the nuts are much shorter than normal cake too.
If putting through a 3-1 you'd still have to mix with grains at say 50/50....I've pushed it to 60 (cake)/40 (oats).


I tried it with a mvf 18% cake and it didn't work very well at all because the nuts are too long and it all bridged like twiglets

 

[Pistonbroke]

IMO I'd never want to go over 18% protein...

You put it much better, my words are too much protein and they just skitter themselves thin

It's a bit like people on the Atkins diet where they eat tons of protein and lose fat( in theory!) . Those ewes were 120 kg and condition score 4 at lambing and 2 or less in three weeks having 1.5kg of cake a day. It was cruel to see them TBH but the lambs were weighing better. I would say any gain on the lambs was outweighed by the ewes not getting back to normal

 

[ollie989898]

The protein percentage inclusion of your selected compound needs to be selected based on the remainder of your diet. Obviously someone feeding a 21% nut needs to be feeding a heck of a lot more energy elsewhere than someone who is on 18%. Feeding 21% and say not much else besides a high protein grass silage may not end well.

Protein is the throttle pedal in ruminants- the more protein going in, the faster the bugs reproduce and the faster they get food passing through the animal, and so more milk (in theory). You better be supplying the energy to balance that or the animal will be providing it from fat stores.

 

[livestock 1]

Inlamb ewes don’t need more than 16 or 18% protein otherwise it’s lean ewes big lambs and watery colostrum

 

[ollie989898]

Inlamb ewes don’t need more than 16 or 18% protein otherwise it’s lean ewes big lambs and watery colostrum

That depends on the quality of the rest of the ration. If they are only being fed a very poor quality feed, or have very little access to it, a higher protein nut may be justified.

 

[livestock 1]

That depends on the quality of the rest of the ration. If they are only being fed a very poor quality feed, or have very little access to it, a higher protein nut may be justified.

The last few years silage has analysed high protein and lost its sugar due to being bleached with rain. I haven’t had any analysed this year. You would be surprised how little protein ewes need. Energy is far more important

 

[yellowbelly]

we usually feed straights , (south west ), but with the price of grain and proteins this year , im looking at a high quality ewe nut , only about 8t blown , been quoted about £248 for mole valley champion (18%) , and £264 for farmers ewbol 21 (21%) ,

Why are you thinking of switching?

With barley at £165ish and soya at £320ish you'll still mix them to 18% for about £200/te plus, say, a fiver for mins/vits so about £205/te.

 

[livestock 1]

Why are you thinking of switching?

With barley at £165ish and soya at £320ish you'll still mix them to 18% for about £200/te plus, say, a fiver for mins/vits so about £205/te.

No filler in barley or soya cake is a convince feed

 

[andybk]

Inlamb ewes don’t need more than 16 or 18% protein otherwise it’s lean ewes big lambs and watery colostrum

they would be out on dairy grass in december / jan , so prob a 18% with some oats be a better bet ,

 

[andybk]

Why are you thinking of switching?

With barley at £165ish and soya at £320ish you'll still mix them to 18% for about £200/te plus, say, a fiver for mins/vits so about £205/te.

we have a good supply of barley (wheat if needed off my landlord ) but the proteins we usually buy from kw and its either other side of bristol or salisbury either is about hour and twenty and im always nervy , as both routes have plenty of traffic cops about and its min 2t which is a good load behind the hilux , , so extra £50 or so a tonne on what we use is made up for not messing about mixing feeds and wasting a day getting protein , End of last lambing i bought a couple tonne in bags to compare our ration , with mvf nut , they did a lot better on the nut prob because we usually use wheat distillers but was unavailable last year and , maize distillers wasnt so good , WE had a lot of issues with redgut and soya in young stock as well (lambs picking grains out the troughs ) prob because of sordelli and ewes werent covered for that last year ,

 

[neilo]

The protein percentage inclusion of your selected compound needs to be selected based on the remainder of your diet. Obviously someone feeding a 21% nut needs to be feeding a heck of a lot more energy elsewhere than someone who is on 18%. Feeding 21% and say not much else besides a high protein grass silage may not end well.

Protein is the throttle pedal in ruminants- the more protein going in, the faster the bugs reproduce and the faster they get food passing through the animal, and so more milk (in theory). You better be supplying the energy to balance that or the animal will be providing it from fat stores.

The higher protein nuts very often have higher energy levels as well, which nobody seems to have mentioned for some reason. The nut/roll I normally use for my early lambers is 19% CP and 13 ME (I had it tested). Certainly costs a bit more than the cheapest available, but a lot of the cheaper nuts have no better nutritional value than the haylage they are eating from the rack.

 

[livestock 1]

The higher protein nuts very often have higher energy levels as well, which nobody seems to have mentioned for some reason. The nut/roll I normally use for my early lambers is 19% CP and 13 ME (I had it tested). Certainly costs a bit more than the cheapest available, but a lot of the cheaper nuts have no better nutritional value than the haylage they are eating from the rack.

I’ve seen sheep wintered on sugarbeet pulp, fodderbeet, barley, molasses and silage all short of protein but rarely seen any problems. But with high protein cake, draff, urea I’ve seen plenty of issues usually thin ewes and big lambs