Hoggs dying

[Weasel]

Could be acute fluke with all the wet like...Pm is first port of call

Some of our cows are slipping, wondering if that's fluke aswell

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Some of our cows are slipping, wondering if that's fluke aswell

You don’t want to be doing much wondering...you want them testing asap

 

[Weasel]

You don’t want to be doing much wondering...you want them testing asap

Jagged the 3 worst ones, rest get done when they come in, the 3 lean ones have the most terrible skitter!

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Jagged the 3 worst ones, rest get done when they come in, the 3 lean ones have the most terrible skitter!

It might not even be fluke...

 

[Raider112]

5 out of how many? If it's 30 you have a problem.

If it's out of 2000 it could just be the stress of transport etc.

I would definitely heptavac. Did you quarantine drench?

250 ish so too many, been dosing today but maybe need to Heptavac as well

 

[sticky]

Id be eager to get a PM done. Then assess from there really.
If your buying store lambs in, profits are going to be marginal so you'll need to cover all basis on animal health really.
Id be inclined to treat with ovivac or heptavac p to cover clostridial.
Fluke & worm, scab and a shot of Trace elements for good measure should ensure a healthy flock!

How much/head would that be?

 

[Paul E]

Jagged the 3 worst ones, rest get done when they come in, the 3 lean ones have the most terrible skitter!

Somehow I don't think fluke treatments work on Johnes disease.

 

[Weasel]

Somehow I don't think fluke treatments work on Johnes disease.

Its not Johnes disease, 2 of them went lean last year, vet tested them came back negative

 

[Downton_shep]

Its not Johnes disease, 2 of them went lean last year, vet tested them came back negative

If you’d culled those two last year you’d only have one this year

 

[Weasel]

If you’d culled those two last year you’d only have one this year

Won't have them next year 3 of them going once they put a bit fettle back on

 

[Paul E]

Its not Johnes disease, 2 of them went lean last year, vet tested them came back negative

Negative test does not always mean they haven't got it.

 

[Weasel]

Negative test does not always mean they haven't got it.

Why does it come back negative then?

 

[hendrebc]

Why does it come back negative then?

Because johnes has such a long incubation period it might not show up in a test today but might in 6 months or a year after it has "hatched" (No idea if atched is the right word but it makes sense ifuts incubated )

 

[bovine]

Threads like this make me bang my head against a wall.

Dead things need a PM

Stop throwing doses of anything (fluke/wormer/antibiotic) around when you don't have a clue what you are treating. Do some testing and justify your treatments. This can't go on like this.

 

[puppet]

The last 2 PM we got done did not give us any answers apart from confirming they were dead. Testing while alive showed fluke and worms so presume they did not respond to the treatment.
A few years ago we took 13 hoggs to the vet and 4 out of 13 died after an injection of Mycotil for persistent foot rot or similar. The PMs said they had evidence of worms and liver damage due to fluke and the stress of the 4 mile journey was the trigger???
On the basis that 2 had collapsed before we left the vet and another 4 had to be carried out of the trailer 15 minutes later then I am sure anaphylaxis was the cause but the PM meant we got no compensation.

 

[Poorbuthappy]

The last 2 PM we got done did not give us any answers apart from confirming they were dead. Testing while alive showed fluke and worms so presume they did not respond to the treatment.
A few years ago we took 13 hoggs to the vet and 4 out of 13 died after an injection of Mycotil for persistent foot rot or similar. The PMs said they had evidence of worms and liver damage due to fluke and the stress of the 4 mile journey was the trigger???
On the basis that 2 had collapsed before we left the vet and another 4 had to be carried out of the trailer 15 minutes later then I am sure anaphylaxis was the cause but the PM meant we got no compensation.

If the vet managed to catch a blood vessel with the mycotil I understand that can kill them.
We had 1 when we were involved with Joe Angel's codd trial. That was in 1 flock of 400 or so. Poor show to get 4 out of 13. Unless the fluke made them more susceptible?