Holstein Bulls

[sidjon]

Agree that feed efficiency is key... But how to interpret that from the proofs? Look at production vs. maintenance as a rough guide?

On grazing Holsteins, it's a smaller stature Holstein with good legs and feet that can make milk off grass.

Here's one interpretation:

That's not grazing...... No wonder the spring calvers run away from holstein, if they need that much management, pretty happy to stick to Monkey cow which do all the hard work

 

[dinderleat]

Achan and Overside Flick could be a worth a look.

Captain?

 

[dinderleat]

That's not grazing...... No wonder the spring calvers run away from holstein, if they need that much management, pretty happy to stick to Monkey cow which do all the hard work

A Holstein should do double in kgms what a monkey does

 

[sidjon]

A Holstein should do double in kgms what a monkey does

We're doing kgms/kglw ,with no flash management, would the average Holstein do that?

 

[Rossymons]

Captain?

Depends on how deep your pockets are.

 

[Rossymons]

We're doing kgms/kglw ,with no flash management, would the average Holstein do that?

You would be surprised. I've just looked at one herd I visited today and a random half dozen cows all came back around the 1.5kgs solids/1 kg LW. Absolutely nothing flashy about this herd and I think theres room for improvement still.

 

[crashbox]

Depends on how deep your pockets are.

Captain?

This one?

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Why, is he expensive?

 

[Jdunn55]

This one?

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Why, is he expensive?

This one I think?
Hes the highest pli bull available, you've got to sign a contract saying that you'll genomically test all heifers from him and that Cogent have first dibs on any bull calves from him

 

[Jdunn55]

This one I think?
Hes the highest pli bull available, you've got to sign a contract saying that you'll genomically test all heifers from him and that Cogent have first dibs on any bull calves from him

Just realised they're the same bull, how come abs and Cogent have him??

 

[Rossymons]

This one?

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Why, is he expensive?

Genosource Captain

#1 in UK
#3 in US

Massive production, great health traits. I don't know his price but he's in demand so doubt he's cheap.

 

[Rossymons]

Just realised they're the same bull, how come abs and Cogent have him??

It's just an ABS database. If you rang up Lewis asking for a price he'd probably cough and splutter a bit!

 

[sidjon]

You would be surprised. I've just looked at one herd I visited today and a random half dozen cows all came back around the 1.5kgs solids/1 kg LW. Absolutely nothing flashy about this herd and I think theres room for improvement still.

I must see the 1kgms/ 1.5kglw

 

[Jdunn55]

It's just an ABS database. If you rang up Lewis asking for a price he'd probably cough and splutter a bit!

Thankyou aha, was confused for a minute hes a very nice bull, price isnt stupid either imo. But then genetics are soemthing I wouldnt skimp on to save 1 or 2 quid, imo genetics are soemthing that'll make or break your herd in 50 years time!

 

[Rossymons]

I must see the 1kgms/ 1.5kglw

They're not over big Holsteins - probably 600-650kgs at the most. Some of the 1st lactation animals are doing a tremendous job.

 

[epfarms]

We served some captain this season, realistically not in a different price league (there was a deal on at the time) and we got our best conception rates from him. Well worth it for us!

 

[Rossymons]

I deliberately stay away from knowing the prices.

I heard the price of one bull we used and both eyebrows shot off the top of my head! Next day we had another 100 straws turn up!

Gently into the thawer, dont drop it, steady now...

 

[buffalo_soldier]

I must see the 1kgms/ 1.5kglw

They look a bit like this:

Doing it as an average is the challenge, as you do get the odd donk like this:

 

[Jdunn55]

They look a bit like this:
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Doing it as an average is the challenge, as you do get the odd donk like this:
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Oh how awful nearly 12,000 litres at nearly 5% fat and 4% protein

 

[sidjon]

They look a bit like this:
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Doing it as an average is the challenge, as you do get the odd donk like this:
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Would they survive in a spring herd? This is a average nmr test.

 

[wooly619]

Has anyone got any mixer calves on the ground from cogent ? Not in the catalog anymore but tics the box for health traits and is at a good price sexed now.