Home made shares

[Dealer]

Because they where not used as original of the period. That's the whole point of the class

 

[Timo@hattonfarms]

I still don't see why you think money gives an a advantage, with a home made board like the Mitchell's surely the skill of them to make 2 boards that match let alone 2 left 2 right that match is more of an advantage than money can buy? There still only a farmer and a NH dealer manager there not Donald Trump

 

[Dealer]

You have to have the money / facilities to make the boards do you think they only had the one go at it.

And the money to buy additional boards if you get it wrong.

 

[Dealer]

Only a dealer

Nothing special then that the average working man ploughing out of his garage / shed at home doesn't have as well then.

 

[Timo@hattonfarms]

what a welder and a grinder? Hardly bank breaking. All I can see that go with the top ploughmen is there all bloody good engineers not millionaires, anything can be made in your shed at home if you have the knowledge and the enthusiasm

 

[Dealer]

Probably right

But the classic class is protected from this as the equipment / mods are limited to a few holes drilled here and there and some welding on the frame

That's what I am trying to point out, if you want to play engineer / ploughman. You have a class already we don't need the classic class to turn into the world style , except those in the world style that can't compete with the equipment are looking for a cheaper alternative.

 

[Timo@hattonfarms]

I sort of see you point but no class in ploughing is "cheap" apart from well maybe the horticultural class you need a 4x4 a trailer a tractor a plough pay for diesel insurance somewhere to keep it etc. What does your outfit stand you honestly? My plough was 2k tractor 4K I use my dad's trailer and already had my pick up so I got into it for 6k. I'm 26 and work for a pipeline firm so I no way rolling in it

 

[Dealer]

I never said it was cheap but the restrictions put a lid on it

If you only did local matches you could turn up with tractor and plough for less than a cpl of grand

We all bought tractors not just for ploughing but road runs / shows and stuff

That's the ones that that are not farming already.

 

[Dealer]

My out fit

Tractor less than 2k. Plough £500

Mods to ploughing probably £1000

Trailer and discovery used for work as well

Insurance £100 quid

I also play golf

Fees circa £1000

Clubs and gear £2000

Hobbies cost money.

 

[Tonym]

Perhaps there should be a rule like the one that was in some disipline of motorsport many years ago.
You could do any modification that you wanted no matter what it cost.
The organising body put a value on everyones plough of say £1000 and if you won and were asked to sell it you had to do so for that value. If you refused you were banned.
The idea of this was to keep it affordable and deter individuals from spending vast amounts of money to gain an advantage.

 

[Dealer]

The thing that would make it cheap would be

If somebody started selling new old ransomes ploughs

So copy ts 86 with tcn,s off the shelf for £3k all in.

We could all buy the same kit and have a level ploughing field

If there were orders for 300 units I bet some body would make them

In reality there probably is but no body has focused on the hobby there market is comercial users.

 

[Ley253]

Think thats an American idea Tony, do remember reading about it It lead to quite a number of fast cars coming second! Snag is, it would reduce the class by one, and leave the purchaser with a plough he could not sell ,( his old one), because every one would know it was not much use.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

The thing that would make it cheap would be

If somebody started selling new old ransomes ploughs

So copy ts 86 with tcn,s off the shelf for £3k all in.

We could all buy the same kit and have a level ploughing field

If there were orders for 300 units I bet some body would make them

In reality there probably is but no body has focused on the hobby there market is comercial users.

was told yesterday at a match, that someone in Ireland is making copies of the TS 86 frames for 2k
just add bodies discs and skims

 

[Roy Stokes]

Why the ban on Hyd controls? All they do is make it easier for the ploughman to move existing adjustments. It just discriminates against elderly or disabled ploughmen, who may not be able to turn the thread at arms length. I know I could not adjust the depth of my KV from the seat after my heart surgery, pulled too hard on the incision scar!

Reasoning is in keeping with the period the class is representing, if a classic world style class were to emerge then it would also need distinction from World Style as we know it today hence the hydraulic ban

 

[Roy Stokes]

My tractor could I believe plough in classic, and the hyd system was removed from my Nuffield Universal Four.All the hyd components came from scrap machines, and that includes those on the plough. My lorry cost £750.00 many years ago(I know, it shows!) Going back to the hyds though, there is no reason for them to cost more than a few hundred pounds, all that is need is a diligent search of auction sites and scrap yards. The most expensive parts will be the hoses, they do need to be new.

Add all your time you have spent and do spend fannying with the equipment/lorry and you have almost a full time occupation, have you added that expense in ? a good proportion of us cannot run/modify these old bits of kit due to work pressures

 

[Cordiale]

A very interesting thread chaps considering it started about home made shares!

 

[John 1594]

Add all your time you have spent and do spend fannying with the equipment/lorry and you have almost a full time occupation, have you added that expense in ? a good proportion of us cannot run/modify these old bits of kit due to work pressures

Begs the question...what would have happened if he had bought a decent tractor to start with, instead of one requiring extensive modifications to the brakes and hydraulics to make it work

quite why you would take the primitive hydraulic system from a 1950s nuffield 4 and graft it onto a 70s leyland though....wouldnt you have been better off just having a nuffield 4 in the first place

 

[Ley253]

Begs the question...what would have happened if he had bought a decent tractor to start with, instead of one requiring extensive modifications to the brakes and hydraulics to make it work

quite why you would take the primitive hydraulic system from a 1950s nuffield 4 and graft it onto a 70s leyland though....wouldnt you have been better off just having a nuffield 4 in the first place

The hyd system I removed, was my own mod. I made it up so that I can have constant pumping at all times, I have four double acting and one single acting services.

 

[Ley253]

I bought the lorry in 2006 since than it has had an engine up grade, cab floor repair and a brake overhaul and the bed replaced. Not a lot really, and none of the jobs took more than about a week, even working at my very slow speed, 3/4 hours a day. I have not said you must run elderly cheap kit, just that it will do the job if it has to, and costs can be kept down. There are other advantages, Insurance is under £100.00 a year, I dont have to have a speed limiter, and there are no costly "black boxes" to fail and leave you at the dealers mercy!

 

[Ley253]

Begs the question...what would have happened if he had bought a decent tractor to start with, instead of one requiring extensive modifications to the brakes and hydraulics to make it work

quite why you would take the primitive hydraulic system from a 1950s nuffield 4 and graft it onto a 70s leyland though....wouldnt you have been better off just having a nuffield 4 in the first place

I did use the Universal four for many years, till advancing years, and a very cold and wet match convinced me that I needed a cab! Hence the Leyland. Regarding the brakes, I believe you retrofitted an air con system, to one of your tractors, applying your logic, could you not have bought one with it already fitted?